^ Im not much of a navy guy, but how is Germany’s reputation as a post Cold War ship builder?
I know their armored vehicles are well regarded. not sure if their ships
those are some major engineering problems, not just minor teething ones. don’t know how they can resolve that through modifications (some one correct me if I am wrong)
^ not quite correct. your statement leads me to believe you must be in your 50s or 60s and read about it a Cold War era book.
There were three ‘Su-19’s
1. The one mistakingly identified by NATO that thought it was a new fighter. This never existed and was disproven after the end of the cold war
2. Sukhoi internal designation for an Su-15 variant (another interceptor)
3. Sukhoi internal designation for an Su-17 variant (ground attack)
At the end of the day the Su-24 was never derived from a fighter. it was straight up ground attack from day one. All of San Diego’s points are valid.
^ again, something Gripen already has and KAI would like to have (but will not build unless some one pays them to do it).
Please learn the difference.
Swerve and Tonnyc is correct.
you need to separate what haves from what we want.
The Gripen C is already flying with BVRAAMs and Meteor, as well as being integrated with a variety of weapons. In other words its operational.
the FA-50 has the POTENTIAL to fly with BVRAAMs, its posed next to mock ups with BVRAAMs, but it hasn’t completed integration tests with it. As far as I can tell, the FA-50 is only operational with basic short range missiles and dumb munitions (rockets, bombs). Unless a customer is willing to pay for it, it will never reach that same level of operational status as a Gripen or F-16.
The Koreans probably have no intention of doing so since they have plenty of other planes tasked for that. It will have to be up to an export order. And why would they do that when there are plenty of F-16s, Gripens, etc going around.
If F-14 counted, then so does F-111
Well of course it does, the F-111 entered service in the late 60s. Not sure it would have been a great fighter though with out relying on the AIM-54. Radar at the 70s were still iffy. It would’ve been eaten alive by MiG-21s, F-5s and Mirages if it got in close.
I am curious what people would say if we did exclude the F-14 though. it seems near unanimous
Not a fair timeframe with the freaking F-14 counting but not the su 27 or Mig 29.
the F-14 came out before all the other 4th gen jets, but also for that reason, I was a bit reluctant to add it as I knew people would say well why not the 15?
don’t worry you will have the 80s. But the F-14 came out early enough that it saw limited action in Nam.
was the Viggen superior to the F.1 in any area? certainly the Viggen had many dedicated variants that would make operating a single type (sort of) economically and practically viable?
Gripen C > FC-1 >>> F/A-50
Unless KAI makes some serious advances in integrating a greater variety of weapons on their jet and make it faster.
India had a pattern when it came to aircraft acquisitions
A Soviet/Russian type
A similar European type (either French or British)
American types exist but limited to transports, helicopters, or ASW
thanks for the clarification.
yeah I also have some questions about the AESA seeker as the radome looks unique. (also any explanation to why its asymmetrical)?
First flight of the Hunter was 1951. Introduced 1954
First flight of the F-100 was 1953. Introduced 1954
Where are you boys getting your information?
I guess the 50s are too far back for many posters to remember which airplane flew when, hence so many off suggestions.
Probably not as interesting for many either, not until we get to the 70s and 80s.
I was under the impression this was cancelled in favor of I-Derby-ER
UAE involvement is potentially viable, South Korea and UAE signed some strategic agreements to defend each other while building nukes.
not surprisingly the B and C models are where most of the problems (many of which seem serious) lie.