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  • in reply to: Legitimacy of DPRK nuclear threat #2480839
    Satorian
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    It’s true that any loss of life is a tragedy, but there’s a big distinction between being murdered, and a natural disaster where no malice was involved.

    So you think it’s more tragic if 3000 people die in an attack than when 100,000 die in a natural disaster?

    in reply to: Legitimacy of DPRK nuclear threat #2481169
    Satorian
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    there’s a VERY BIG difference between an earthquake that nature unleashes, to a terrorist attack that killed 3000 people. you resign yourself to the fact that an earthquake can occur anytime and mostly without much warning and that there is very little you can do to prevent it, except for trying to build earth quake proof buildings, etc.

    the same cannot be said of terrorists that kill innocent people. so, comparing Islamic terrorists who are bent upon killing en masse those that they view as their enemieswith earthquakes and their victims, is stupid.

    its like saying that its the same whether a person dies of natural causes/accidents or due to being murdered by someone with an agenda.

    I think the point was their treatment as tragedies. While 9/11 is constantly being mentioned as such a tragedy and monumental loss of life, the fact remains that there are tragedies of at least equal magnitude where human lives were lost that people barely noticed or are unlikely to regularly remember.

    in reply to: BVR vs WVR kills #2481798
    Satorian
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    Drawing a line through two points doesn’t make a trend, only for weak minds (those who trade at Leham Brothers for example). Your figure could end up completely wrong. Funny exercise: draw a vertical line at say 1980 and predict a trend from there. You should get familiar with some statistical basics and have respect the factor Randomness.

    My favorite example somebody used is that if we extrapolated the development of popularity of horse-drawn carriages between 1700 and 1800 up to our time, we should be drowning in horse **** by now. As it happened, we are driving cars though. 🙂

    One should always be wary of technological progress bucking currently foreseeable trends.

    in reply to: Good News for the F-35 Program #2483541
    Satorian
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    The point is things change………

    Like for example, the rest of the world deciding to define it as M1.+ again. Things change indeed.

    in reply to: Good News for the F-35 Program #2483880
    Satorian
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    Yet, its not “1998”………;)

    So?

    in reply to: Good News for the F-35 Program #2484058
    Satorian
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    Au contraire, LM doesn’t claim supercruise(which they define as M1.5 or greater).

    I hope you’ve seen my quote of Code One Magazine from 1998 where they defined it as greater than M1.

    in reply to: Good News for the F-35 Program #2486497
    Satorian
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    In the case of the “Raptor”. Stealth and Super Cruise complement each other…..

    Music and dance complement each other very well too, but if we were discussing music, I’d typically like to keep it to discussing music.

    For this particular thread within the discussion it was about cruise speed.

    And what about the other part of the post? Did this answer why not everyone has to necessarily orient himself by performance benchmarks set by another plane?

    in reply to: Good News for the F-35 Program #2486811
    Satorian
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    Who would not be interested in a combination of Stealth and Super Cruise???

    How does stealth suddenly come into a debate on supercruise?

    As for supercruise and ‘catching up’: The question is whether you want to catch up to a specific level of performance, like the F-22’s M1.7-1.8. As design is a game of compromises, I probably wouldn’t fault a current fighter designer for being satisfied with M1.5 supercruise and using the resulting design leeway to decrease weight and/or increase reliability and/or longevity and/or cost and/or pay attention to any other area.

    It’s the same with the MiG-25/31’s M3.2 (or M2.7) top speed. You could ask there as well: Why wouldn’t you want to have that kind of top speed? Answer: Because in a systemic design and being mindful of diminishing returns it might not be worth it. Some goal posts people aren’t trying to catch up to for very understandable reasons.

    in reply to: Good News for the F-35 Program #2486864
    Satorian
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    More like “setting the goal posts so others know just how far they have to go to catch up”.

    Or more like “setting the goal posts others aren’t necessarily interested in so others know just how far they have to go to catch up should they decide to pursue that path”.

    in reply to: Good News for the F-35 Program #2487343
    Satorian
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    I do see the difference, and understand your concern about trying to disprove a negative. My remarks were aimed at the crowd that say categorically that the F-35 cannot exceed M1 in dry thrust. That may or may not be true, but using the fact that LM hasn’t claimed SC, isn’t proof that speeds under their threshold(M 1.5) aren’t possible in dry thrust.

    With that I agree.

    While, personally, I would tend to consider it a hint that their marketing department does not milk a potentially given SC ability or that sample mission profiles in LM presentations had it cruising at M0.9, I would in no way claim that this is conclusive evidence. I wouldn’t be surprised either way and look forward to full envelope testing of production-representative units.

    in reply to: Good News for the F-35 Program #2487514
    Satorian
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    Well, it isn’t currently falsifiable, because we don’t know that it can’t. LM/USAF defines supercruise as M1.5 or greater, not just the ability to fly faster than M1 without AB. What this means is that the only thing that can be said unequivocally is that the F-35 doesn’t cruise at M1.5 or greater, without AB. It may very well not be able to break M1 without AB, but no one here can say that with certainty. In fact there’s a great deal about the F-35 that can’t be said with certainty, as we’re simply not privy to all of the details. That being the case, I’m not prepared to say what it can’t do.

    I was not trying to dispute facts of what it can or cannot do. My problem was with your phrasing, as I said in the first post about that, and has nothing to do with which numbers you assign to supercruise.

    If you have a negatively worded working hypothesis (‘no evidence that it can not’), you say that there could be an as of yet not encountered set of parameters that could bring about fulfillment, which with a lack of demarcation leads to an unlimited variety of circumstances that would necessitate infinite retesting, which makes it impossible to validate or falsify this hypothesis, which means it holds no insight while upholding a claim.

    It can be easily abused and should be avoided. It’s unscientific.

    Or do you think it’d be right to say: “There’s no evidence that I can not run 100 miles per hour.”?

    Right: There’s been no evidence that the F-35 can supercruise.
    This can be easily proven wrong. The F-35 just needs to demonstrate supercruise.

    Wrong: There’s been no evidence that the F-35 can not supercruise.
    This can never be proven wrong. One could always claim circumstances like defects, environment, deception, secrecy, spin, intention or others whenever it fails to supercruise.

    I hope you see the difference.

    in reply to: Good News for the F-35 Program #2487584
    Satorian
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    That’s the figure that they’ve always used though. If they changed it to M1.7 or M1.8 just to account for the Raptor vs. others, then that’d be changing the goal posts. Furthermore, how far can the other “supercruising” fighters travel at those speeds?

    Looking at the Code One Magazine, belonging to Lockheed Martin, from April 1998, the words sound like any sustained travel at M1.+ in dry thrust qualifies:

    Speed in these studies took the form of supercruise-supersonic flight without using an afterburner (a source of undesirable and unstealthy infrared energy). Optimizing an aircraft for supercruise leads to long, slender configurations with small highly swept wings and large high-temperature engines.

    The ATF would not be the first military aircraft capable of supercruising. This title belongs to the B-58 Hustler. The B-58, however, had to employ its afterburners or dive steeply to accelerate through the transonic drag to get to the flight condition where it could supercruise. The F-16XL and newer-model F-16s are capable of supersonic flight without afterburner as well.

    http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/1998/articles/apr_98/apr_98_p.html

    in reply to: Norwegian Government select JSF #2487653
    Satorian
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    From way back in December??? Regardless, I’ve made a point for sometime now not to post in “BOLD”. At least not a whole article………….

    Even though from December, it’s only twenty posts back. Depending on personal forum settings for posts per page (like ’30’ for example), it could be on the same page as the now most current post.

    in reply to: Could/Would GE/RR self-fund the F136? #2487692
    Satorian
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    Its to early in the week to be drinking……………;) Well, maybe not!:cool:

    You won, you won!

    Oh, wait.

    in reply to: Norwegian Government select JSF #2487847
    Satorian
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    What are you talking about……………..I have posted nothing in BOLD???

    obligatory might have been referring to this post, where you put quoted text in bold markup instead of quote tags.

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