What do you think the US DOD (not LM, it is the DOD which sets export prices) quoting a F-35A flyaway cost of $58.7 million (FY2008 dollars) for partner nations is?

I would call that an invitatio ad offerendum, not a legally binding proposal itself. I think it’d be a bit much to assume that with this quote the US government would cover all cost beyond this price point.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,628926,00.html

The price quote should be UPC.

Really, the downgrade would likely be just as much for Japanese Political Consumption. Than appeasing the US……

And my point in the post you quoted was that Japan should stop this masquerade, because it makes no sense, and go with fully capable weapon systems. Three or four squadrons of F-22s should suit them well.

Nice try, but.

They are not “official program of record numbers”. They are GAO estimates (the GAO’s estimates for weapons systems cost are almost always higher than DOD/manufacturer estimates).

“Official program of record numbers” is a direct quote from the GAO report. The numbers come from the DoD Selected Acquisitions Report from December 2007, not GAO.

They are not in 2007 USD, they are in then-year dollars extrapolated to the end of the current planned procurement program. And I guarantee that those being procured beyond 2030 are bringing that average up quite a bit as in theory the constant dollar cost should level off somewhere in 2014-2016 but you can bet that inflation will continue to rise (or at least you should know that the estimates are based on a constant average rate of inflation).

For example, 2009 USAF budget documents put (again then-year dollars) the average flyaway cost for its 1763 F-35A at $83.131 million. Take a wild guess what the price in 2015 or 2020 must be if the average with procurement going through 2035 is “just” $83.131 million. Here is a hint…The quoted to partner nations & publicly announced in Apr 2008 flyaway price of the F-35A as $58.7 million in FY2008 dollars falls right in line with these numbers. More specifically a constant average inflation rate of 3% makes $58.7 million in FY2008 dollars to be ~$70.1 million in FY2014 (~$130.3 million in FY2035 dollars) & a constant average inflation rate of 4% makes $58.7 million in FY2008 dollars to be ~$74.3 million in FY2014 (~$169.3 million in FY2035 dollars)…

Of course the F-35B & F-35C are going to be somewhat more expensive than the F-35A but the US plans to only procure 680 of them (combined) vs 1763 F-35A.

Do you perhaps know which kind of inflation model is at the base of the then-year dollar calculation? It seems kind of odd to extend such a projection that far into the future.

Oh, and just for my own reference: Do you know where I can look up the price quote as delivered to the partner nations in April 2008?

1.6 to 1 means 16 Flankers lost for every 10 Gripen lost. Nilsson says the JSF gets the opposite ratio: looses 16 JSF for every 10 Flankers shot down.

Think about it, no way do 6 JSFs get shot down to kill a single Flanker, no matter how badly it gets beat up on this forum.

Very good point. 1.6:1 it probably is then.

“1:6 to 1”

I’m not sure what’s that supposed to mean.

1 to 6?
1.6 to 1?
0.166 to 1?

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2)dots…
3)marketing slogans

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You should not forget. To, place your punctuation oddly……..!!!! Or “place” perfectly normal words used without second meaning in “quotation marks”……. :eek::eek::rolleyes: :diablo:

And give a thumbs down to the post you quote……… :eek::eek:

With all do respect……….!!!!! 😎

They are out of context as the first few years are hardly representative of average cost of the F-35. Nor, any aircraft for that matter………Why do you think the DOD Numbers continue to drop each year! Yet, they stop at 2013 before production reaches full speed…………..:mad:

In Dec 2007 USD:
Program unit cost: 122m
Average procurement cost: 104m

Those program of record numbers provided to congress, contained in my original post as well, are projections for the complete production, calculated as of December 2007 in 2007 USD. How are those out of context?