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  • in reply to: F-35 News and discussion (2016) take III #2128339
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    Is “super awesome manuverability” even that important anymore? Although classified, I expect modern fire control computers be able to cue gun, autopilot and radar all together allowing high trajectory high kills from even the front aspect, so you don’t have to maneuver to rear of enemy aircraft. The Viggen and Gripen can do this. The F-15 attempted this with the Firefly program, and I expect the F-22 to have something similar.

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    Another thread turned into a F-35 slugfest.

    Oh, the DAS thing has already been talked about…..the video is on a Gen II helmet with OLDER DAS. Watch the video your own source. God f*cking dammit, F-35 haters USE ANYTHING to criticize the plane.

    EODAS>any current MAWs used by 4th Gens. Period. It is the ONLY MAW that can track enemy aircraft at long ranges with IRST capabilities.

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    DDM-NG has zero capability to detect and track enemy aircraft like an IRST. The reason why they tested a MICA shot, they needed another aircraft to datalink radar info.

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    Rafale has EOTS?????? How misinformed are you?

    EODAS>4th Gen MAWs which zero IRST capability.

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    Once again Wilson said this a GEN II Helmet with older cameras:sleeping:
    How about you come up with newer sources

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    if he really wanted to know whats outside the window, he wouldnt have look outside if the quality of the camera was up to snuff to ID

    You are not listening. He said he needs his eyes to judge range, aspect, closure, NOT ID.

    It’s like playing football with a black and green vision camera strapped to your helmet vs your own eyes. Sure you can identify big guys coming at you, just it will be super headache looking at the screen all day.

    Look at the footage, it can clearly ID F-16.
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    1. When has Major John Wilson ever said you can’t ID with DAS? He said the infrared cameras can’t really judge range, aspect, closure etc.(like any IR camera) Green and Grey imagery is funky compared to human colored vision.
    2. He clearly says there will be newer cameras coming out. That’s a Gen II helmet he says. The EODAS was always been designed to be like an IRST to lock on to targets. (An solution to find range, aspect, closure is to fly two ship, for TDOA.)However I don’t expect it to ever be good in a dogfight as Mk1 Eyeballs.

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    EOTS allow you to ID the fighter, DAS does not have that ability at any range

    Not the newer DAS. Those can zoom in. The older Gen helmet had some visualization problems that some pilots didn’t like, but newer ones are a 360 IRST.

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    The reason the F-22 cannot be exported is not because it’s more advanced. Many F-35 parts are improved versions of the F-22 for example APG-81 is based off APG-77, and ASQ-239 is based of ALR-94. The reason for export ban is because for one it’s mostly a US project vs. an international one. Also, the F-22 wasn’t designed in the first place to be exported. It’s coding can be easily replicated. The F-35 has safety measures. You can’t just find a F-35 and copy it.

    when a fighter turn, it tends to turn in positive g rather than negative, towards a target,
    and is typically rated +9 -3 g.
    here, it is preferable if the sensor is on top

    Uh, the EOTS is designed mainly for BVR, it being on top doesn’t matter it is angled enough to see top targets at BVR like the F-14’s IRST. At closer ranges it would use EODAS instead.

    Yes there is. It is derived from an obsolete (although very good) pod. Btw, genuine question. How do these work by night in thery should be “even better”, but…

    Although the EOTS is “obsolete” compared the newer SNIPER, the SNIPER lacks any IRST function. SNIPER is mainly ground attack rather air-air due to this. It can’t scan targets in the sky.

    FLIR’s typically are have greater ranges of detection vs dedicated IRSTs since they focus on starring. Reason for targetting pods on the Eurofighter and Rafale rather than use their IRSTs for ground attack.

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    BVR, I’ll take an F-22 supercruising at Mach 1.5+ with 6-8 AAM at 60,000 ft any day over the F-35. Don’t underestimate systems like the AN/ALR-94 in the F-22. What the equivalent in the F-35?

    ASQ-239. It is an upgraded ALR-94 with jamming capabilities.

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    only thing F-35 got going for it is EOTS, and while not as good as an IR camera optimized for A2A,
    its an awful lot better than what F-22 has (nuffing)

    EOTS is for both air-air and air-ground. What’s special about it is it combines the scanning of an IRST and the resolution of a FLIR. It’s as good as any IRST like PIRATE or IRST21 if not better being able to lock on windows at ranges up to 80 km. Not as good rez as the latest SNIPERs pods but rated at around SNIPER XR.

    in reply to: Canadian Fighter Replacement #2142667
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    Most Saddam’s SAMs were sh*t. They fired machineguns and cannnons often blindly in the air. A Russian SAM with radars don’t have problems seeing at night.

    Yes, the Gripen E. It’s ludicrous to think a fighter that size is killer at range.

    in reply to: Canadian Fighter Replacement #2142676
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    there is never any on station time calculated in attack profiles,
    rafale is comparable to gripen E with A2A configuration, but out-ranges it by a good margin with heavy loads.
    F-15E is a big fighter so it should compare well to both, that pic above sneaked in HLLH in profile btw,
    only way to make it look like comparable to F-117 & inferior to F-22 in range

    The point of you saying the Gripen’s range beating the F-22 is not accurate since the loiter times on the chart are not said to be 30 min.
    Yes I mentioned the HLLH, it’s the reason for the “-30 percent routing factor”. So if routing factor removed, the F-15E should get around a 700 nm combat radius. The reason HLLH is mentioned because is most 4th Gens will have different routes to evade larger SAM bubbles.

    Are you some sort of Gripen fan btw? I get those a lot. The type of people that go “Gripen can do this! And better that fighter!”

    in reply to: Canadian Fighter Replacement #2142685
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    SAAB states combat radius 800 nm +30 min. on station for A2A,
    which edges out F-22 w 2 600 gallon tanks by around 100 nm taken from the pic above,
    under assumption 30 min on station roughly translates into 150 nm for gripen E.
    And 800 nm combat radius for A2G.

    The F-22 loiter time is not published on the chart…..and it’s F-22 A2G since it’s using JDAMs.

    Again combat radius is not a constant measurement unless it’s measured the same flight profiles, mission, loiter time etc. Rafale is known to have a longer range than the Gripen I believe, Rafale which also got beat by the F-15E in range in the Singapore competition.

    in reply to: Canadian Fighter Replacement #2142710
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    I have a quick statement on “published combat radius”

    It really depends on the type of mission and loiter times and flight profiles. A published combat radius is not definite of range of aircraft. Ferry range would be the most mean average measurement of aircraft’s definite range. IHS Jane’s seem to get those numbers from research online but what other details are not mentioned. For example Saab throws 1200 km, 1500 km as high as 1800 km for the newer Gripen, it all depends on mission.

    For example the F-22 vs F-15, the F-22 when armed with tanks will usually outrange it(routing factors on this chart(probably a lot of it the HLH)removed to get a similar same mission type and flight profile)
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    Pilot also says F-35 has more range than F-15C in normal combat mission. F-35 probably gives the best range of all of the RCAF candidates.

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