Don’t know why you all are going back and forth about the MiG-29.

Both it and the legacy F/A-18 can nose point well at low speeds but neither has the controlability of the F-35 at high alpha, that’s what separates it from the older fighters and is most important to the pilots.

It is funny to say 2D nozzle is steathly, if it is then why F-35 isn’t retenggular nozzle?
If you learn some stealth tech you would know that 2D area of cenction of nozzle is larger than 3D nozzle.

Money. Time. And the fact that the F-35 was never meant to meet the same RCS requirements as the F-22.

You can see it

LMAO. Have you ever seen an F-22 in real life? You can’t see them.

whaaat ,no kulbit ,no supercobra?
pathetic…..

from what i seen the f-22 induces its vortices off the forebody (the engine intakes), and its not providing the same strength as an equivalent LERX.
its limited because of stealth and vertical flight surfaces dont exist for such manuevers…

Bwahahaha….

I’ve keep telling you guys this since long time ago and i guess you’ll have to see it to believe it. Recall the F22. What did I say? Body chins and strakes for vortex generation was designed to provide in effect a multi-segmented vortex lift, very different from the likes of the earlier F16/18 and Su/Mig. Since the vortex lift is very non-linear and destabilizing it can be used (if designed correectly) to advantage for control in all 6 axis. For example, the yaw control of the F22 at high AoA yet the TVC provides no, if minimal, yaw control. Humm…interesting isn’t it. I recall some here question how that is done when the traditional tail fins couldn’t really provide all the necessary control forces when compared to other aircraft. There’s one very interesting picture available out there….almost the entire upper surface of the F22 is covered by LEVs. I mean from nose to the trailing edge of the wing body…that’s the hint. Now look at the general front fuselage shape of the F35 and you’ll see that it’s almost identical to the F22 in design philosophy, don’t let all that LO stuff mislead you to think that that’s its all for.

This man knows what he’s talking about. I remember him talking about the same stuff before the Raptor demos started up and many still couldn’t believe that the Raptor was aerodynamically superior or even on par with the Flanker/Fulcrum family.

We now know that the Raptor is a good amount ahead of either. I wouldn’t doubt that the F-35 will be at least as good as a Viper or Hornet in terms of accleration and manueverability. All we can do is wait…

Just as a correction the Raptor’s wing area is 840. If you’ve ever seen it in person, the wings and tailplanes look gigantic when next to an F-16.

Here an interesting quote from the pilot:

Question:Max, What is your rate of descent during the power loop before you can completely level off in stable flight?

Answer: “I hit over -10,000 feet per minute for a while before I recover. Pretty amazing that the jet can be sinking that fast at 2500′ and be level by 1900′!!!!!”

The problem may be ‘fixed’ but that does not mean that many here have heard about it as a search turned up nothing before I posted.

I typed in “Raptor canopy” and the thread came right up.