I wouldn’t mind hearing this one. I don’t know much about this bomber if anything at all.

Firebar is as bad or worse than Mig-23MLD. OverG is a close runner up.

Firebar is the worst because he is able to spew an endless amount of delusional statements to blow threads out of proportion. No matter what you tell them, it never even registers in their mind.

Air Forces Monthly, June 2005: (page 14)

-“An F/A-22 accident occured recently, because of flight control defficiency which allowed the aircraft to exceed its AoA and G limits which overstress the airframe.
The flight control was lost when the F/A-22 crossed the wake vortex of an F-16.”

That is a good example of what should not happen with a new generation fighter.
It would not have happened if it had not been limited to 60 degrees AoA.

WTH are you talking about? What you said makes no sense. That incident happened almost two years ago. It was a FC problem not an airframe problem. Are you trying to say that no Russian aircraft has ever had a flight control problem? You truly are delusional.

Someone please shut this thread down. Firebar is just making untrue and useless comments again just to flame American aircraft. The thread had been dead for 6 months for a reason.

bring_it_on, just give up. MiG-23MLD has managed to ruin another thread with his stubborness and is incapable of listening to anyone. No supports his cause and yet he still keeps going in the wrong direction. We’ve told him over and over again but he’ll never get it. I’d just leave it alone.

He’s shown us what he can do in the F-14 vs MiG-23 and that led to a lock. The more you tell him, the more non-sense will come out of it.

I’d pick the FB-23 or B-1R concept before the FB-22. They both would probably have more range and payload cpacity than the FB-22.

You can smell them too,right? :rolleyes:

Correct, are you jealous? 😀

Thanks for putting old news that has been dicussed over and over into this thread with no helpful information in it. It didn’t even pertain to the subject. :rolleyes:

Bring_it_on

The whole point i said is according to Chinese military statemenst they are developing technologies that will detect the F-22.

Of course modern aircraft have few chances against advanced missiles such as the Python V or Meteor, that is the whole point of stealth, if the F-22 remains undetected will rule, no other aircraft will beat it unless the Istrevitel I-21 is developed and then you will have stealth aircraft versus stealth aircraft.

However if the Russians and Chinese achieve advanced radars capable to detect the F-22 or develop IRST sytems that can detect the F-22 then all the superiority it has will disappear.

According to russian reports the F-117 was detected quit often by old radars, they consider the Stealth technology imposes too many compromises over agility.

Fighters in the class of the MiG-29OVT have been developed with agility as the main factor and with advanced missiles if the Russian and Chinese develop good anti-stealth technologies will be a similar situation like the MiG-17 and F-4E

Like I said before, how does China know that they can detect stealthy aircraft such as the F-22? I would not trust the Chinese military from just one report. What are they going to test their radars against?

I also doubt that the F-117 was detected regularly otherwise you would seen more shot down. They don’t fly particularly high or fast so they would be easy to shoot down if detected. Russians and Chinese are far behind the US in stealth technology and probably anti-stealth technology.

Yes, the MiG-29OVT is very agile but the F-22 will hold its own as it holds a much better thrust to weight ratio and will be able to turn the fight into the vertical plane.