But what is going to be the turn rate of an F-22 at Mach 1.7?
Any modern missile has the capability of hitting and destroying the F-22, the problem any aircraft like the Su-30MKI, MiG-29OVT have is detect the F-22.

The F-22 has hit and run tactics but if it pretends to fight a F-15I with Python V; a Su-30MKI or a MiG-29OVT with R-74 backward firing at eye ball range i do not think it will be overwhelmingly superior.
In fact the MiG-29OVT is more agile than the F-22 having 3D thrust vectoring Nozzles while the F-22 only has 2D thrust vectoring nozzles.

Tell me why the F-117 which is stealthier than the F-22 but can not carry AAMs?

Actually, the F-22 has been rumored to be stealthier than the F-117 in terms of RCS. It only makes sense knowing that it’s technology is 20 years newer.

Also, don’t worry about the turn rate of the F-22 at Mach 1.7. It will be better than the MiG-31 or any other fighter for that matter. Thrust vectoring helps a tremendous amount at high Mach speeds.

The F-22 can be challenge by the Eurofighter in supercuise terms and the MiG-31 is not far behind.

Now what really makes the F-22 great is Stealth, nevertheless the Chinese claimed the F-22 is detectable, an F-117 was shot down and detected by 1960s technology, now consider that Russians, Europeans and Chinese are developing such systems for detectting faceted fighters with low IR signature.
nese and Russians will have better radars that will be able to detect F-22s.

But if the Russians and Chinese get reliable technology to detect F-22s well believe me the best AAM will be the diciding factor and stealth as we know it will become obsolete.

Again, the Eurofighter does not supercruise as fast as the F-22 or with the range of the F-22. The Raptor is also manuverable at these speeds which cannot be said about the MiG-31.

How does China know that they can detect the Raptor? They can barely design a stealth plane by themselves and please don’t bring up that downed F-117. Think of how many missions the F-117 probably flew over that radar before being shot down. One kill out of many thousand sorties does not mean all stealth airplanes are out in the open and detectable now.

Stealth keeps evolving. There will always be ways to counteract detection and I am pretty sure the US military is prepared for when that time comes. There is a reason that other countries are going to this technology and I know they know more than you.

The F-22 has some competitors in some aspects, in agility perhaps the Su-30MKI, MiG-29OVT and Su-37 are more advanced, in Supercruise well the MiG-31 and Eurofighter are very close to the F-22 but in stealth no other aircraft is as advanced except th F-117 and B-2 and both are american

The Eurofighter isn’t very close to the F-22 in supercruise and I doubt that it would be able to hold those speeds for as long as the F-22. In terms of manuverability, I am impressed more by the MiG-29OVT than the Su-30MKI. I think F-22 could hang with the MKI but the OVT would be a challenge. It would most likely be toast from a BVR shot however. The F-22 is two generations ahead of the F-117 in terms of stealth technology and its RCS is probably equal to or smaller than that plane’s.

Fighters like the J-10, MiG-31, Su-35BM or MiG-29OVT can be as lethal as the F-22 if you upgrade them at the Eurofighter level in terms of weaponry and supercruise, if an F-22 is detected on the regular basis then these aircraft and technologies will defeat the whole F-22 concept.
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I don’t see how they can be at the F-22’s level. Their airframe designs are a generation behind, as are the electronic and avionics packages. The F-22 will not be detected on a normal basis. That’s the point of the F-22. I would think that US engineers and test teams have put the F-22 against the most powerful radars in our arsenal. You can’t just say that stealth is obsolete just because one plane was downed.

Those planes pose no threat to the F-22 in the BVR arena and the OVT and BM are the only ones to get close in the WVR area. However, the F-22 will see them far before they detect it.

MiG-31 :rolleyes:

I can see why officials want to export the F-22 to other countries. They are trying to keep the assembly line open just in case they can eke out more orders at a later date.

Pure power. Who’s gonna mess with that? 😎

Cannon fodder for A-10’S at Nellis’s range! :dev2:

I agree. Same with that MiG-25. Big target for big bullets. 😀

Goddamn. . .you don’t suppose they’re trying to send anybody a message do you? :confused:

Maybe just a little message saying “There’s more where that came from”. :dev2:

The SHs look pretty good. They’re no Tomcats in the looks department but I like them anyway.