if you are less patriotic and an apologetic nationalist you will understand the Su-35BM is only less advanced because it is not an stealth aircraft but in terms of super cruise and super maneouvrability the Su-35BM is on par with the Eurofighter and F-22

I don’t where you are getting this info that with new engines the Flanker will be able to supercruise just as well as the F-22. It’s not an instant thing. I would venture to guess that both the Typhoon and Raptor have better supersonic aerodynamics than the Flankers not to mention supersonic maneuverability.

I seriously doubt that it will be on par with the Raptor in terms of supercruise just because of some new engines.

Vortex, what’s your opinion on the F-22 and this video?

According to the site where you got those diagrams the Kulbit definition is:

One demonstration will be the “Kulbit” (which means “circle” in Russian), a high angle-of-attack (AOA) “Cobra” pitch-up, followed by a low-airspeed, looplike vertical rotation (below). A variation on the Cobra maneuver first demonstrated by the Sukhoi Su-27, this “somersault” combines rapid deceleration with a full 360-deg., tight-diameter “loop.”

From a horizontal attitude, a pilot rapidly pitches the nose up, using the integrated fly-by-wire flight control and TVC systems to command high pitch rates (positions 1-5). Altitude gain is minimal, and airspeed drops quickly as AOA reaches 90 deg.; the aircraft is still moving horizontally. With airspeed below 50 kt., the aircraft goes inverted and the nose falls through the horizontal (6-8). As airspeed increases, the pilot pulls through the nose-down vertical position and back to horizontal, accelerating in the same direction as he started the maneuver (9-12).

I think the Raptor pretty much did every step described in this quote

In the Video showed by JFRAIZER the F-22 is making a tight loop or BELL not a Kulbit, the kulbit or Frolov Chakra the aircraft moves forward makes the Pugachev`s cobra but continues the spin or somersault gains a bit of altiude and contines flying forward lossing altitude

This is the bell, the F-22 is doing the Bell in the Video Fraizer linked

That’s was most definately not the Bell shown in the video. The Raptor does the Bell in another video I posted about the F-22 about high-alpha testing.

In the video I posted at the beginning the F-22 clearly pitches into a Cobra, keeps pitching over the top, gains altitude while basically flying backwards, then uses thrust vectoring to bring the nose around. That is a Kulbit(a flying backflip). I think most everyone in this thread would agree with me.

I looked at the video of the Su-37 doing the Kulbit in the small video bar next on the same page. They looked virtually identicle except for the F-22 did it slower.

But i guess there is no such thing as double standarts…….In the past Kulbit was worthless,now it is “flying Kulbit” and the russian planes are not flying….

Nope it’s still worthless. Doing the Kulbit is more about showing off than anything for the USAF. 😎

One thing,
I doubt the Raptor can perform the helicopter maneuver the F-16 MATV performs. Bring_it_on should know allot more, but haven’t seen him for while. Can SOC, sferrin, Vortex,…enlighten me on this. (On a side note…that video? 😮 😮 )

According to Dozer, the F-22 has no problems doing the helicopter.