How exactly are blasphemy and falsifying history related or even remotely similar?

The common factor is Hate…blasphemy spreads hate among those negativly affected…same goes for Holocaust…as a jew I’m sure you’ll get very emotional if someone comes on your face and denies holocaust.

Lets not forget it is this Hate that’s the Feul of Extremists on both sides.

Newspapers in Iran and Pakistan are full of racist slur of far greater magnitude (about Judaism, Buddhism, Jainism, Christianity, Israel, India, etc..)

And India is the holiest nation which has the cleanest record against it’s minorities.

Back to the topic..

The Reaction apart from threats and violence sounds reasonable…Freedom of Speech and Expression goes both ways 😉

SOC Islam does not needs to justify anything, Go do plenty of research on it and you will get your answers.

And why their response is always “lets blow something up or kidnap it”.

Extremists give extreme response, Moderates give moderate response, and Media, specially western media usually likes to pick up the extreme response so then people like you are ‘educated’ and hard-coded (brainwashed i.e.) that lets blow something up is the only response.

The majority of the people who are complaining about these cartoons are the same scum who spew anti-western hate on a regular basis.

And when you do the same, it makes you no different from that “Scum”

Some Western countries it seems do all the hard-work in spreading hate, recruiting and creating Jihadists…and then whine about it when these same people kinda hit back at you.

Would you like me to remind you what the British press did when Prince Harry wore the swastika while dressing up as a German during some highschool party of his?

There You Go 😀

Has the media picked the moderate response? No..when say 500 people come out to protest…out of 5 million or so living in a city…it shows you who is protesting and in what manner..but obivously the “All-true-totally-correct” media only picks up those 500 people…not not the rest of the people…and if one applies some common sense you can think of this yourself.

Hey guys,

What is with this?

http://www.kanwa.com/dnws/showpl.php?id=96

“Multiple Moscow-based sources from the Russian military industry claim that China is negotiating with Russia on the purchase of xxx RD93 turbofan engines for the production of FC1/JF17 fighters. Meanwhile, China is also considering importing xxx AL31FN turbofan engines for its J10A production line. There has been new suspicion among Western military observers whether China is going to downsize the production of J10A and to turn to produce more FC1 fighters to replace the huge retiring J7 fleet of PLA Air Force (PLAAF).”

Seems more like a speculation than any hard evidence.

But I think their might be a hint of logic to this because I think Replacing 1000s of old planes by J-10s and Sukhois alone is going to be very unrealistic approach. China needs to put in all of its newer generation planes into its inventory.

At the same time Kanwa is saying J-10B is entering Batch production..

(c) COPYRIGHT RESERVED 2001 Kanwa Information Center Canada

okz npiz take your time..I’ll be off to sleep, tc…but well what i’ve seen on TV and everything (western channels)…they give impression that OBL and his Jihadi cos etc were armed by Americans to fight Soviets….I dont think OBL received any ‘specific’ help..but they sent many things to Aghanistan, so he may have received some sort of help indirectly or maybe directly…well that was my point.., but later on many of his companions joined his org…and then all the mess was left as it was…and then they found a new enemy and showed they have little respect for lives..a muslim or a non-muslim.

o_0 you’re a mod?

lol just found out.

Give me a number. And if you come back with 100,000 prepare to be proven wrong.

? ? and you’re refering to? no, I’m ot refering to that 100k Iraqis killed report.

Who was it? Don’t come back and say the CIA, or prepare to be proven wrong.

CIA? Well..Americans supported Bin Laden…armed them..right or not?? CIA or no CIA…what matters is it was USA.

Citizens of…?

Indian Army.

For the record you can PM me as much as you want

😀

The difference is that we are not letting terrorists operate within our OWN borders. We are actively going about searching them out and, to put it bluntly, killing them off.

Yea , just how many civilians have you killed along?? urmm….collateral damage is it called?

Now if you bothered to visit the Pak-Afghan Border you’ll know how difficult it is to block it, theres a problem with some people who think spending 300 billion a year will solve every problem in the world..I’m sorry but that has only increased the problems in the world..let me remind you who hired up Osama bin laden in first place? rings the bell? who left the Afghanistan to rot..? rings the bell? who left the Pakistan to cope with 1000s of refugees, unstable neighbour, countless smugglers + sanctions and nuclear blackmail? rings the bell? nopes, World is wrong, you are the only right….the usual laughable attitude

What Kashmiris? Since when did Kashmir receive its independance from India?

..7 million..*cough* *cough*

Nobody expects a “100% job”. But we certainly don’t expect Pakistan to allow Al Qaeda to exist within Waziristan either. Nor do we expect them to allow militants to operate and exist in Kashmir.

Pakistan is allowing Al Qaeda to settle in? do you even bother to read the news? they woudnt be hiding behind civilians if that was the case…and you know..if you people had done your job right..there wouldnt be any in Pakistan….you had him cornered in Tora Bora.. Well.. also theoratically speaking, Americans allowed the sept 11 terrorists to exist within America. you say Expect? who planted these people in Pakistan and let them rise so that they can wreak havoc in Pakistan..first it was the americans..than the indians who brought there armies on the borders just to kill 100s of their own soldiers and go back home.
Did americans cared about Aghans? no..they never bothered until the wild zombies they let loose on Soviets came back to them saying hi.

Why is it that we can talk negatively about Russia, China, Europe, South America, the USA, and a host of other places, but the MINUTE you mention Pakistan in a less than completely favorable light, the forum erupts with a million voices all chanting that Pakistan is beyond reproach. Why is that?

no, you can mention Pakistan as much as you want….but negative comments and insults have a difference..negative comments nobody minds, offcourse we would like to discuss it and defend our point of view…thats why its called ‘discussion’ forums.. and we’de do it very activly…but insults…thats different, not saying you’ve done that…but look ppl making one line cheap statements….thats unacceptable…how would you feel if atleast 73,000 people died in your country and someone is allowed to freely post things like not to help the people who’ve been left alive..and then taunting and flaming….so you will receive replies in a similar manner……see how Indian threads are edited at instance theres a discussion going on in exception…thats the ‘hacking off’ point… few indians(Stressing that not ALL) come do whatever they want..but anyone else goes there…booomm…all the points you put into discussion are wiped off within 24 hours…and honestly we dont care whatever you want to say about China, Russia or whoever else is in the list…its just about 2 or 3 indians who have a free hand from mods to do whatever they, unless a PM is sent, nothing is done and you know its not nice PMing mods every other day.

Ignorance is a bliss indeed, you can think whatever you want, but thats not the case SOC.

I have plenty of examples to give about the ‘fair’ moderation, what comes to mind is the Signature ones…Indian members were putting all kinds of Anti-Pakistan sigs for like few months and weeks, than some of the Pakistani members came up with similar tactics..we saw mods going hush hush and instructing everyone to mind their signatures….

Only fair moderation leads to good quality of the boards, I’m sorry but constructive criticism should not be minded..The overall quality of the forums has improved alot alot since the days when only 1 person i.e. Webmaster had to take care of everything and it was indeed a very tough thing to do, but well..theres no harm in suggesting ways to improve the image of these forums.

Again we were discussing about wether or not a missile was fired, we had two points of view and that is what we were discussing right? until Nomad threw in a cheap line, but..now look at your own self..you didnt seem to mind it..and than you have the audacity to say this and that to us, offcourse you are 101% perfectly right, and we’ve done all the wrogns in the world.

Relief copter ‘fired upon’ in AJK

ISLAMABAD, Nov 1: A US Army helicopter taking part in earthquake relief efforts may have come under fire on Tuesday, according to the US military, but a Pakistan army spokesman said it was merely engineers blasting a damaged road in the vicinity.

US Central Command said in a statement the CH-47 was not hit and returned safely with its crew to Chaklala air base at Rawalpindi.

It said the Chinook “is believed to have been fired upon by a rocket-propelled grenade”, but did not say who might have fired.

The incident occurred close to Chakothi, a town near the border with held Kashmir, in a region where many militant groups fighting Indian rule operate.

Chakothi has been cut off since the Oct 8 earthquake, and the Pakistani army is working to clear the last few kilometres of road between the border town and Muzaffarabad.

“It was a misunderstanding. A Chinook was flying in an area where engineers were blasting the road and the crew mistook it for firing,” said Pakistan’s army spokesman, Major-General Shaukat Sultan.

He said the US forces had pledged to resume operations from Wednesday after hearing the Army’s preliminary report.

A US military spokesman serving with the disaster relief mission, which involves 900 personnel and 24 helicopters, said the incident over Chakothi would not alter the US commitment.

“Nobody was hurt, nobody was hit,” Captain Bob Newell said. “It’s not going to impact our participation in the relief support. We are going to continue to support the Pakistan army and government, and there is no change in our commitment.”

—Reuters

– And anyway, “EVEN” if someone did fire, that person was certainly “Anti-Pakistan” ..its so basic…but duh..some people dont get it.

I am not sure if the detonation in the air would always be visible, esp if the helo is taking evasive action to avoid the RPG and looses its line of sight with the RPG as a result.

On the otherhad a ground explosion esp TNT would create a large ground blast radius, smoke, and any shock wave (visible in the form of dust) that would be visible from the air.

-So it was not visible? Well..Chinook is a big Heli..sure noone was watching? you are making assumptions..there is no evidence of explosion in air…and now you’re comming up with excuses..I dont see Americans coming up with excuses…but an Indian flamer…hehe..interesting isnt it?

– About the ground explosion..that depends upon the scale of detonation…you dont really need to put 500 KGs of TNT everywhere..this isnt rough and tough thingy, its engineers working…so there can be small blasts with smoke too etc…again you are assuming. Ppl aint that stupid. The pilots may be experienced with RPG fires, are they experienced with different levels of blasts used by engineers to clear the roads?

Certainly no Pakistani in right mind would do such a thing and Nomad potrays as if people of Pakistan would support it? we wouldnt even spit on low-levels like that, you have stupid people everywhere in the World..New Orleans, Gujarat..you name it. ..You never know it might be an Indian spy in the region….we have all witnessed the hatred of Indians over the forums..so you never know..I remember how some Indians here were trying to persuade not to help Quake victims…like I said before…sick and pathetic…trying to shine for their stupid cause out of this tragedy…the greatest UN ever faced..even greater than Tsunami. Indians in the past have made up dramas too…e.g Train fire by a muslim…later turned out to be an accident….so there is a possibility of that too.

Sean – You are in the military iand you don’t know that Pakistanis are the root of terror and of all nations polled in the world hate America the most?

Ah actually Indians have some of the worst human rights issue, actually your religion promotes discrimination within the society…lets talk about untouchables?..a truly unique thing, Indian democracy ticks by killings its own people, you know thats how the parties won the elections in Gujarat, first they blame a fire accident train on muslims, than they kill 2 or 3 thousand muslims, burn them and rape them with the help of the police and government officials, then they deploy army, which is only a spectator, perhaps they learned a thing or two to how kill people in Held Kashmir, than the majority of the population finds it very comforting and vote for the Hindu extremists. Just imagine the mentality of the masses…sick and pathetic. Here we are talking about an incident, it could be anyone, there are plenty of afghan refugees in the region, but what we see in India is well..how the majority thinks.

Lets talk about India..the largest ‘demon’cracy on Earth. since this thread was taken off-course by Nomad and is not relevant to Airforce, and since mods wont take any action unless we bring India in, you know you cant depend on mods only if it is Anti-Pakistan.