phrozenflamedid i miss something star49 is the one who started comparing mig to f-16….
and u actually care to involve your self with him, actually all those who argue with him are well..what to say…..as good as he is. Get the point. Adding feul to flame is as lame as starting a flame war.
phrozenflame^^ nah, we prefer to live in cities.
phrozenflameIts interesting how usually some people ignore flamers and only reply to star49.
Tells alot 😉
Pls dont discuss Mig-29 in this thread.
phrozenflameThey dont train against Active Missile Threats? Thats shocking.
phrozenflameHow old are you anyways ? 😡
ur calling distiller ; “son” ?
and who are you afraid of ?? if you want to call him that … why hide behing tryping it in urdu/hindi ?? why dont you type it in english ?? :rolleyes:
and since it is “very obvious” to who he is , why dont you post it over here as to who he is ??
Or you are trying to convey that you are Oracle #3 by suddenly finding out who he really is ?? :rolleyes:
huh? since when did I referred to Distiller in BETA part? How old are you? or they didnt teach you how to read English..or should I say ‘Ungreji’ ? 😉 .
Also nice models Wolffy…your personal?
phrozenflameSo your’e saying 80% as capable as F-16A, before you said air-to-air capability?
and is Strike capability is not the only Air-to-Air thing you usually measures, offcourse F-16 has better Strike capabilities, mainly because it has a more powerfull engine.
phrozenflameHave my lively contribution here: I really don’t know what’s all that hype about FC-1/JF-17! That plane is neither revolutionary, nor radical, nor impressive, nor competive, it is simply of aged and rather poor design. Take a look at it and you’ll know it’s a dud! They would have been better off with buying or stealing from Northrop the old F-20 blueprints!
and you’ll hand them all the blueprints right or not?
Its not revolutionary?, becuase it wasnt supposed to be.
It isnt Radical? because it wasnt supposed to be.
Its not impressive? , thats your beleive and point of view.
Not competive? You can discuss that in relevant threads and see the answer slapped on your face.
Aged and poor design? It meets the criteria of the makers, who cares if it doesnt meets your criteria? or did you put in 100m + dollars and nobody gave you a lift?
Its dud?…how can you day that?..so we have Oracle #2 Online :D.
well even chengdu or w/e its called says its barely as capable as F-16A in Air to Air capability
😀 , you’re going to show us the links etc right? and offcourse the avionics charts for comparisons?
and just wait and see how the star49 comes and ruins the thread..Beta..over acting is not good, its very obvious who you are
phrozenflamewe have more ^ …. T_T.
urm SOC, if he says Pakistan has F-35s..that means they have it..thats it. No point arguing :D.
phrozenflameI thought the topic was about F-7s and Mig-21s..urm I guess I came on a wrong thread.
phrozenflameIt seems like the pakistani will sure get a DSI FC-1/JF-17.
Is it the angle in that pic or is the cockpit looking bit higher than usual?
phrozenflameHope mods clean up Economic Related threads.
phrozenflameEngine part looking bit different, whole front thing changed..lot rounder now.
High sitting cockpit, I can only wish they do it, but it’ll increase the drag, so thats why I guess they’re not doing it.
phrozenflameLots of news:
Pakistan begins fighter aircraft production this year: officials
Islamabad, May 9, IRNA
Pakistan-Fighter
Pakistan will begin production of JF-17 fighter aircraft this year, senior military officials said on Monday.
The light weight, all weather and multi-role aircraft is jointly being developed by Pakistan and China.
“The small batch production of JF-17 would begin in the second half of this year,” Chairman Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), Air Marshal Aurangzeb and Chief Project Director of JF-17 Air Vice Marshal Shahid Latif told newsmen at Kamra.
The first consignment of four aircraft would be delivered to PAC Kamra in December next year. Another batch of four aircraft would be ready by March 2007.
They said initially Pakistan has committed 150 and China 250 aircraft and production capacity of PAC Kamra would be over 20 aircraft per annum.
The officials said fifty percent of the airframe would initially be manufactured in Pakistan and it would progressively be enhanced to hundred percent. Similarly, cooperation with original equipment manufacturers would be expanded over a period of time for
co-production of avionics systems.
Twenty-two avionics systems would be co-produced at PAC including radar, self-protection jammer, high tech flight control and mission computers.
The JF-17 is planned to be a replacement of the aging fleet of PAF. The aircraft would be capable of carrying short range, beyond visual range, anti-ship as well as anti radiation missiles. There would also be provision of carrying high and low drag bombs, laser guided, runway penetration and cluster bombs.
It would be equipped with state-of-the-art avionics package to provide an all weather navigation and attack capability. The state of the art on-board multimode radar would have the capability to track multiple targets and its advanced electronic warfare suite will have self protection and jamming capabilities.
The chairman PAC said the JF-17 project would ensure availability of a contemporary, affordable and sustainable weapon system for the PAF capable of meeting its operation requirements.
“There is also possibility of payback of the financial investment and profitability through aircraft sales to foreign countries as already a number of countries are showing keen interest in the aircraft,” he added.
Replying to a question, he said the Aircraft Manufacturing Factory of the PAC is developing a high speed long range drone known as Comet.
It will have a speed of 300 kilometer per hour and a range of 60 kilometer with take off weight of 85 kilograms.
He also revealed that the PAC would soon start manufacturing aviation parts for Boeing 747, 767 and 777 aircraft under an arrangement with the Boeing company. “The know-how thus gained would also help in establishing JF-17 production line.
“The PAC has also recently completed avionics upgrade of Mirage aircraft in collaboration with French company Sagem. This modification substantially increased the air to air and air to ground precision weapons release capability of the aircraft,” the official added.
“Similarly, F-16 engines are also upgraded to increase their operating life and performance characteristics saving 30 million dollars.”
To a question Air Marshal Aurangzeb said eight more Mushak aircraft are ready for delivery to Saudi Arabia by the end of this month.
“Another five would be delivered in September this year, completing the deal of twenty Mushak,” he said.
phrozenflame🙂
Pakistan’s first women fighter pilots
By Zaffar Abbas
BBC News, Islamabad
The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) academy has been all-male for more than 55 years – but now it is going through major change.
Women are now allowed to enrol on its aerospace engineering and fighter pilot programmes and are doing rather well.
To the great surprise of many men, some of the female recruits will soon start flying jet-engine planes.
Male cadets are having to come to terms with the fact that masculinity itself is no longer a condition for reaching this prestigious institute.
Up till now they have done very well
Air Vice Marshall Inam Ullah Khan
There are 10 women in two batches in the flying wing of the academy. Many more are competing with men in the engineering and aerospace wing.
These trailblazers may still be few in number, but many instructors and even some male cadets admit their presence is already being felt.
‘Lifelong dream’
Until recently, most women in this conservative Muslim society would more likely have imagined marrying a dashing fighter pilot than being encouraged to become one.
“I always wanted to be a fighter pilot, and eventually with Allah’s wish and the full support of my parents, I made it this far
Cadet Saba Khan
But this was not true for Saba Khan, one of four female cadets to make it through the gruelling first stages of training.
Coming from an enlightened Pathan family in Quetta, capital of otherwise conservative Balochistan Province, Saba was initially inspired by one of her uncles who had been in the air force.
And she says the first newspaper advertisement seeking female cadets was like a dream come true.
“I always wanted to be a fighter pilot, and eventually with Allah’s wish and the full support of my parents, I made it this far,” she said.
And Saba believes the first batch of women could provide much-needed inspiration for many other girls, who may follow suit.
Beaming with excitement, another aviation cadet, Ambreen Gill, said it was impossible for her to explain how she felt when she flew a propeller plane.
She said she hopes soon to fly the jets on her own, and perhaps at some stage even state-of-the-art combat aircraft like F-16s.
‘Equals’
The air force academy is still male-dominated, and it’s not clear what the real feelings of the male cadets have been to the induction of women onto the fighter pilot programme.
Officially, most have welcomed the move.
But when one male cadet said the women should be shown compassion, female cadet Saman Ahmed was swift to say they were there to compete on equal terms.
“We don’t expect compassion, we don’t get compassion, and we don’t want compassion,” she said.
And this confidence is not without reason for Cadet Ahmed has already won praise in her engineering studies, beating both men and women.
Her excellence is not confined to the classroom, either.
During a rifle exercise, I watched as she shot all five bullets right in the bull’s eye.
Segregation
Many senior air force officials point out that bringing women into armed forces combat units has been a difficult decision in many countries.
In Pakistan the challenges of doing so were even bigger.
It’s not just about size or strength – cultural and religious matters were also to be taken into account.
It’s quite important that we maintain this level of segregation, mainly because we are a Muslim society
Squadron leader Shazia Ahmed
The head of the PAF academy, Air Vice Marshal Inam Ullah Khan, admits they had to take certain cultural sensitivities into account.
But he says allowing women to enrol has been a good experience, and some of the female cadets have done better than expected.
The academy maintains a degree of segregation between genders.
Although women march should-to-shoulder with their male counterparts during early-morning parade, some parts of the training, particularly physical exercises, are carried out separately.
“It’s quite important that we maintain this level of segregation, mainly because we are a Muslim society,” says squadron leader Shazia Ahmed.
A psychologist by training, and in charge of the female cadets, she says “in some ways it also gives these girls the much required confidence before they take up the bigger challenges”.
But there is no compromise on standards – the women must achieve the same levels of performance as the men, or face being dropped from the programme.
For the moment it seems the few who have joined the ranks are doing extremely well.
And if that continues, when the current batch passes out in a year these cadets will become the first-ever women fighter pilots in Pakistan’s history.
phrozenflameA question, what effects these modified air-inlets have on the plane? and how it is better or worse than the previous design?
Thanks.
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