This post and subsequent arguments made along these lines are hilarious. Anyone who has a copy of the article from which the above extracts can check and will see that the same Shahid Lateef in the same article – after stating the above goes on to say that – the chinese rose to the challenge posed by Pakistans requirements and have now put a package on the table which is being considered. (I am not at home at the moment so I will post the exact wording later on today)
I wonder why the above poster – while diligently repeating the negative comments about Chinese systems totaly neglects to mention the positive conclusion of Lateefs comments in the same article. Perhaps he stopped reading half way – or perhaps the rest of the article didn’t support the biased point he is trying to make.

I’ve been saying exactly that (goto Page 1) , but he keeps comming back to this again and again.

duh guys move on, cant be ‘contained’ by few ppl on same old things repeated 20 times..(in the end..”but who was Romeo?”)..

Lets discuss what radar is on the table for JF-17, then we can compare it to RC-400 and Grifo S7…

Rc-400 has range ~ 100km
Grifo S7 ~ 100km, but is problematic as told in the interview.
Chinese Radar, which one are we talking about? something between KLJ-1 and JL-10A

Ranges arent everything (dont have much info, will dig out and post later on during spare time), so lets feed the thread instead of feeding ahem ahem..dont fall for the “same old trap” guys 😉

and Nirav, dont worry about my exams, thanks for showing concerns, and dont worry, if I goto Exams tomorow also..I’ll pass. well thanks anyway.

You could not defend a single argument you made to me and were forced to terminate it.

Ergo, my nick 😉

Do keep off the personal attack going forward will ya?

I can tell you Romeo and Juliet 20 times and you’ll again ask who was Romeo. Some ppl just dont want to accept a thing. So why waste my precious time on something so unimportant?

F-16A/B but the comparisons is still quite a bitlopsided since the FC-1 is a smaller aircaft and thus not 100% comparable to the F-16.

Yes, major advatange to F-16 A/B is superior engine thrust, that alone effects many things.

as speculated earlier..F-16 is a hopeless case lol.

FC-1 radar and avionics which they were sure will be Western.

Now their claims are gone.

They were being made with the news that was available at that time..see we dont have Tantrik Babas to look into future here in Pakistan.

BTW, you have done some selective posting yourself. Right below that part you posted, Lateef says that Chinese radar tech is not as good as the Western ones. Those are his words, not mine 😉

…who denies that anyway? Infact, if you read..he also says he’s impressed by Chinese.

The explanation is clear. If you want Grifo or Thales, you need to pay $$$, which would increase the unit cost to way beyond the around $20 million currently quoted. So our man is settling for Chinese tech which he himself trashed.
[b] :-/ lol? He’s impressed by Chinese, and said Chinese products are now good enough. Why pay for RC-400 or grifo-s7 when there is better and cheaper alternative available…Rc-400 and Grifo-S7 are being talked about for years now…and Chinese have moved ahead since then.

As to the guidance part, I find it funny. It’s like my friend saying that the Kia car he has is not as good as the BMW, but with his “guidance”, Kia has made a car equal to the BMW. 😉 If he is able to provide “guidance”, then why not make it himself. 😉 I’d like to know what this “guidance” is. :rolleyes:

[b]Thats your interpretation..one cannot dispute personal interpretations..personal and unique thought these are. but I understand that as the stated requirements Chinese would have to make if the Radar is to goto JF-17

” other from the best available French or Italian stuff “
and Golden Arrow thinks Rc-400 is the best French have..twinkle twinkle little stars…and humpty dumpty fell.

“Grifo S7, RC-400 and every other Western radar is in the market today. So, why are 50 FC-1s getting Chinese stuff if the final solution is not Chinese?”

Are they not available to LCA also?? why MMR then? You still missing the point…Chinese are now offering a radar atleast as capable as Grifo and rc-400..and it costs less..now why the hell would we buy a more expensive thing? If you read that AFM interview, GrifoS7 seems to have some problems too.

“Given enough money, FIAR or Thales or whoever in the West will make you whatever you need.”
Sure, but PAF’s req. atm is not AESA you see ;). its something around ~ Rc-400 and grifo-s7..China is giving a better deal..so why bother with expensive option? Paghal Kutte nay nahi kaata. 😉

“The last few comments of AVM Lateef clearly hint that for the low $$$, only China can give PAF something that they cannot get elsewhere while noting that it is years behind Western tech.”

Since when is Pak going to war with West?

“BTW, with Chinese radar and avionics, one can forget about FC-1s handling Western AAMs and AGMs”
Sd-10 over MICA anyday 😉

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Savage-Rabbit:
people have been quoting for an FC-1 eqipped with top of the line FIAR or Thales gear sounds a bit to good to be true

What PAF wanted for JF-17 isnt top-of-the-line of West, more like Med-tech,

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Bottom Line: China is offering a more or equally capable Radar, why on his Dying planet should PAF opt for expensive option..thats the only reason I think would make PAF go for Chinese….lets not forget PAF has been evaluating all the options.
My postion is very clear: PAF will choose what is more capable and within rational price limit.

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Intrestingly, some ppl are hanged to personal opinions and thoughts of some ppl, an they’re being highly ‘selective’ about those. You’l accept one opinion from them, but deny any others they make.

Anyway I’ve made my points clear. I’m out until we have something new. and remember ..theres no confirmation of the news yet..so be cautious of whatever you say

Also remember Price is not the unit of capability, that makes Gripen more capable than Su-30mki :rolleyes:

Whoever thinks China cannot make a radar as good as Rc-400 can ‘bring it on’.
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