😮 okay…. so no 150 billion $$$’s worth owlet dragons…… 🙁

😮 instead… 200-250 billion $$$’s worth chongdu J-10s(~25mil USD dragons..) 😀 😮

u got an extra zero there…

well..even if china does not buys..look at the positive marketing side..the plane is being bought in hundreds even tho the mother nation did not buy it 😀

I think its a race against time.

I’ll explain when i wake up 😀

its a verrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyy smmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll one, if u ponder real hard you might see it, i doubt the pilot n dogfight will have enough time to ponder…

PAf still flies F-6s( ? ) ???

I thought they were grounded for good

hmm…how good is this RWR?

Communications Dear….
Whats hotline setup between two countries(will take less time than 3 min)…. 😉

And i dont think within 3 min ANYBODY can Hijack any plane Unless its already hijacked in Lahore(or before that) itself !!!In that case IAF will be ready for any Eventuality…..

Regds
Infinity

The world usually knows the plane’s been hijacked “after a few minutes” in some cases…again we’re taking chances with civilian lives by having no AMRAAM….why dont ppl realize..its about ~300+ lives on the stake

You know what guys, its not necessary the terrorists will hijack “ONLY” Airliners….there can be smaller and more agile mediums too…heh AMRAAM is back in the topic 😛

We know the USA wont give it anyway…

To Pakistan, With Thanks
The weapons we’re sending to Islamabad are targeted against India, not the Taliban.
By Joshua Kucera
Posted Monday, Oct. 4, 2004, at 4:52 AM PT

Pakistan’s nuclear-capable Shaheen II missile

Pakistan’s nuclear-capable Shaheen II missile
KARACHI, Pakistan—The slogan for this year’s version of Pakistan’s biggest arms show, IDEAS 2004, is “Arms for Peace.” But despite all the heavy weapons on display, the host city, Karachi, seems markedly insecure. Exhibitors and attendees drive from the Sheraton to the expo center in armed convoys. Police with machine guns are stationed every 50 yards along the 30-minute drive. Snipers peek from the rooftops surrounding the expo center. Delegates are advised not to leave the hotel, which is where 11 French submarine engineers were killed two years ago on their way to work on subs that France and Pakistan are assembling here. Karachi is also where Daniel Pearl was kidnapped.

..and if there wasnt any security..the same person would be saying how bad security Pak provides….so the article kicks of with “propaganda” tone

As delegations from a veritable Who’s Who of pariah states—North Korea, Myanmar, Iran, Zimbabwe, Sudan—make the rounds, a Pakistani company shows off its new cluster bombs (which, the company press release notes, “can be used against soft targets”). A Bangladeshi delegation looks approvingly at a display of Pakistani tanks.

There’s a new policy in effect post-A.Q. Khan

There’s a new policy in effect post-A.Q. Khan
Pakistan’s missiles, including the nuclear-capable Shaheen II, are displayed outside, behind a sign reading “Technological Demonstration—Not for Sale.” It seems to be an oblique reference to the most notorious past IDEAS exhibitor—A.Q. Khan, the father of Pakistan’s nuclear program and now the apparent mastermind of a global nuclear smuggling network. Four years ago, his company, Khan Research Laboratories, was at IDEAS handing out glossy brochures advertising specialized equipment for making a nuclear bomb.

equipment can be used for civilian purposes too

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But the big news at the show is the U.S. presence. This is the first time that American companies have exhibited at IDEAS, and they have turned out in force. Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, United Defense, and several smaller companies are here. The United States imposed weapons sanctions in the 1990s after it found out about Pakistan’s secret nuclear bomb program. But then came Sept. 11 and the war in Afghanistan. Pakistan became our new best friend, and the sanctions were lifted. And although Pakistan’s military is still overwhelmingly oriented toward India—hardly a major front in the “war on terror”—
so he wants us to to move all the infrastructure to eastern border..ya sure..tguess who kept Pak army busy at the other end while obl slipped away….now if we had better equipment..we could have done better monitoring..so if PA goes on another trip..Pak gov can tell us..thanks to ur equipment..the backdoor is being watched.

Washington has opened up its pocketbooks again. Over the next five years, Pakistan will get at least $1.5 billion in defense aid from the United States.

An announcement made at IDEAS 2004 suggests where some of that money is going to be spent: Pakistani officials revealed that the United States is ready to reverse its longtime opposition to selling new F-16 fighter jets to Islamabad. The chief of the Pakistan Air Force told me Washington wants to provide the F-16s, in part, to help Pakistan fight Islamist extremists in the tribal areas in the northwestern part of the country.

Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf has deftly played the United States since Sept. 11, and Washington has let him get away with it. Shortly before IDEAS 2004 opened, he announced that he will not step down as chief of the army, as he had promised. The United States barely let out a peep.

so??? ..wats his point?? and the bush said Iraq has WMD..again..propaganda

The operations against the insurgents in the northwest are centered in Waziristan, not around Quetta or Peshawar, where intelligence officials and analysts believe most Taliban and al-Qaida operatives are based.
..ya right…just shows how much the author knows…

One analyst told me the Pakistanis are attacking Waziristan because it’s an easy target, and because tribal forces humiliated Pakistani army troops there earlier this year, and now the military establishment wants revenge. Yet U.S. officials praise the operations as an important battle in the “war on terror.”

..one analyst told me he does not know anything..(see the point?)..lol…again..the person is putting the lies on words… so many Al Qaeda members found there happened to be local tribesman too??…

Even if Pakistan were serious about fighting the Taliban, it could certainly find a better way to spend the hundreds of millions of dollars the F-16s will cost. But the Pakistanis gave a clue as to what they really want with the planes: They are requesting that the F-16s be armed with top-of-the-line air-to-air missiles that would be of little use against targets like the Islamists it’s fighting on the ground.
..and if they hijack a civilian aircraft and bang it on american embassy…it’ll be the happiest moment for this writer…he just got license to post more such things…quicket way to become famous is by selling controversy 😉

Other equipment Pakistan is getting from the United States—navy surveillance planes, for example—is similarly useless against a guerrilla insurgency. They would, of course, be useful in a war against India.

…he forgot U.S.S. cole..and if american liners get attacked..offcourse he’ll blame that too on Pak gov

The majority of questions Pakistani journalists asked in the show’s press conferences were centered around one theme: “Can this help us beat India?”

…so???Europeans still ask if EF can pull better manouvres than russian planes ..let us remind ourselves “Ideas 2004” is not specifically geared only against OBL and his crew..
The Indian air force is formidable—earlier this year they beat U.S. pilots in a war game. Meanwhile, Pakistan’s air force has stagnated as a result of U.S. sanctions, about which the Pakistanis are still resentful

yeup..we are…one truth 😛 lol

The most notorious episode of the sanctions period was when the United States refused to allow the importation of 70 F-16s that Pakistan bought in the 1980s—after Islamabad had paid for them in advance. It took a decade just to get the money refunded.

..and offcourse..we did not get the same money value..

This lends the F-16 deal the look of a thank-you gift rather than a serious weapon in the “war on terror.”

look up…this guy surely wants to convince US gov..to go ahead and let pak face thier own sept-11 kind of attack…

Joshua Kucera is a staff reporter in the Washington bureau of Jane’s Defence Weekly.

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Now mods..this has nothing off-rules.

The latest news from JDW suggests that it may be harder than previously thought to deliver the JF-17s due to engine export restrictions from Russia.

Yeup, heard there were re-export licensing issues..but the issue was later cleared i thought…is it possible you can post the news?.

Russians trying to earn more out the deal :-/.

Does Ukraine makes any kinds of engine of similar category..they have good relations with both Pak and China..and power the k-8s..