They will retire Mirage and A5s…
Heard Su-35 is as good with TVC as without it..read here somewhere.. ?
Even the name of the tank is Arab π ,
The AK going to Saudi are to have German Engine and a 120mm German gun.
Call it a breaking news?
“Pakistan is now waiting for Sweden to decide whether it will allow the sale and is also conducting testing of the J-10.“
Yes, I think there should be joint effort by Defence enthusiasts of both countries to get there basics right atleast.
Its a shame honestly.
‘China may give $750m loan for frigates’
By Shamim-ur-Rahman
KARACHI, Sept 15: Pakistan was in the process of negotiating a $750 million preferential loan from China for procurement and construction of four P-22 frigates for the Pakistan Navy.
This was stated by Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Shahid Karimullah in a news conference on the sidelines of the Ideas 2004 here on Wednesday. He said other aspects of the negotiations with China for the project were complete and only the availability of loan was delaying the commissioning of the project.
If the funding aspect was resolved then it would take at least four years to induct the first of the four frigates. The span of the project was estimated to be spread over 13 years when the fourth frigate would be delivered, he said.
Besides the construction of frigates with Chinese collaboration the navy was also moving ahead with defence production, with special emphasis on naval subsurface and surface construction programme.
He told a questioner that the package negotiated with China for the four frigates included helicopters for anti-submarine role. For the time being, he said, the fleet of Sea King helicopters was enough to take care of the navy’s needs for the next 10 years.
In the context of improving navy’s aerial surveillance capability, Admiral Shahid told a questioner that the US authorities had agreed to assist in the repair of the existing Orion patrol aircraft.
He emphasised that Pakistan would also like to have more P3C that would help in replacing the aging fleet of French Atlantiqe reconnaissance aircraft. Referring to indigenization, he said the navy had over the years acquired capabilities of constructing submarines and missile craft by utilizing indigenous resources not only to meet its own requirements but to pen these platforms to sell in international market.
The navy chief said that delegations from the UAE, Qatar and Nigeria had expressed interest in the fast patrol missile boat landed a few days ago and there was a lot of potential for their export.
He also spoke of the ‘colossal disparity’ in every field with the Indian navy which had no dearth of supply from Russia. For Pakistan, he said, effects of sanctions, as far as Europe was concerned, were still being felt.
He did not agree with a questioner that there was substantial deployment of the Indian navy in the Gulf and said they were on goodwill visit. The navy chief said talks were continuing between Pakistan and India over the Sir Creek issue.
“Our stand is for solving it under the agreement between the then Sindh government and the Bombay government, but the Indian stand is different. However, talks continue on this issue.”
He emphasized that lasting peace in the region could be achieved only by solving the Kashmir issue. Asked whether the navy was planning to acquire an aircraft carrier, Admiral Shahid said that at the moment “we want to maintain minimum nuclear deterrence.
At the moment we want more surface ships, submarines and aircraft. The government has decided to maintain minimum deterrence in conventional and non- conventional fields.”
He also spelt out Pakistan Navy’s role in combating international terrorism and said that a ship and a helicopter were participating in patrolling the sea beyond the territorial waters against terrorism, smuggling of human beings and narcotics for past six months.
http://www.dawn.com/2004/09/16/top7.htm
i wouldn’t deny the infrastructure issue…. my point is pakistan could get many more useful things then the baseline F-16s under the FMS….
the cash(amount=18 F-16s) would be better utilised by PN for the P-3Cs….
Thought they were getting P-3s ???
i dont understand one thing…..
first up the pakistanis claim that the FC-1 is superior to the baseline F-16….. and that the the FC-1 is supposed to be deployed with the PAF in 2007…. thats about after 2.5 yrs….even if pakistan manages to acquire the F-16s from the U.S. , they will not be top of the line F-16s…. then why does pakistan need these F-16s ? :confused:
also the pakistani leadership has said on numerous occasions that pakistan is prepared to give its principle adversary a befitting reply….
PAF ACM kaleem saadat
if PAF is in a comfortable postion vis-a-vis IAF, as ACM kaleem saadat points out, then i don’t understand the hullabaloo over the entire F-16 thing….
the best way to go for the PAF, in the current scenario, seesm to be a robust force consisting of FC-1s and probably the J-10s later on…. (with western avionics,ofcourse)
also China is Pakistans “all-weather” ally….. π
I beleive because PAF wont pay for the F-16s, it’ll pay for other aircraft..so 18 more f-16s for free..and infrastructure is there..will you deny them???.
As for reply..one can always refer to nukes :dev2: . I say leave the fued to Inzi and ganguly π
Guys there’s a separate F-16 topics going on, discuss it there π
Sticks to the Ideas.
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Maybe Kim got some shot of reallity??
or maybe a metor fell lol…just thinking…what if by chance..a meteor of significant size falls on NK, Kim may get upset and shoot all his meteors on neighbours?? any kind of way to prevent such misunderstandings?
The only feeling that I get after reading this is that PAF is starving to death when it comes to fighter aircraft.. They simply try any possibility they can get.. I only wonder why would they need better aircraft for war on terror alone.. Bombing a terrorist camp somewhere in the hills is easy even for F-86 Sabre, you don’t really need a Gripen..
Wat r u saying?? PAF was dead since mid 90s, and is dead until JF-17s arrive, there is no harm in trying out every possibility..its obvious..why talk about it?
As for bombing terrorists, you see F-86 is has higher chances of missing and hitting a civilian home next door. Its not a camp, some times they’re hiding in a house. Noway im bombing that with F-86 sabre.
Flex, there was some news PAF was going for Viggins in 70s or 80s..but deal did not make it. Probably politics again i guess. Not sure tho.
Pak should not pay a single paisa for these F-16s…they should be right out of the aid. Why pay more for a plane less capable than a plane we’ll get in 2-3 years time anyway.
why doesnt J-10 have hardpoints on wingtips?
π ty again
The Zhuhai airshow is scheduled from Nov.1 to Nov. 7.
damn..my exams finish on 6th :-/ but heh..my birthday on 8th π