phrozenflameIran deploys locally made war plane in wargames TEHRAN, Sept 6 (AP) Iran deployed its first locally-manufactured fighter bomber plane on Wednesday during large-scale military exercises, state-run television reported. “The bomber is similar to (the American) F-18 but more powerful. It was designed, optimized and improved by Iranian experts,” the report said, adding that it is capable of launching both rockets and bombs.”
http://www.dawn.com/2006/09/06/welcome.htm
sealordlawrence dont hijack this thread, your hate is off-topic.
phrozenflame“Since Mr. Rajapakse took over as the President in November last year, more innocent civilians have been killed by the Sri Lankan security forces than in the [recent] past.”
Pakistanis IF they are there are advising based on the intelligence given to them by Sri Lankans and they cannot enforce anything on Sri Lankan government.
LTTE perhaps was the first major player to bring Effective Suicide Bombing to the Sub Continent and also the Child Soldiers. They have probably done more suicide bombing than any other ogranisation combined.
Also, India has been involved in training LTTE in the past, Pakistan’s sudden keen interest in LTTE would also invovle perhaps intel they can pick up from Sri Lankans of LTTE tactics and use that information against Rogue tribal leaders who are being trained by Indians in/via Afghanistan. ‘Aik teer se doh shikar’
LTTE is also accused of ethnic cleansing in Jaffna Region and viping out villages.
Anyway, the officials on both side should take special care of not hurting the civilians and not make mistakes twice.
As for Attack on the orphanage, this is what the Sri Lankans had gathered:
“A spokesman for the Media Center for National Security said Air Force jets carried out a bombing raid on a rebel training camp at 7.30 a.m. He said the attack was launched after surveillance flights earlier confirmed the existence of such a camp.”
I dont see how Pakistan told them go bomb the civilians, its just Indians, as usual adding feul to fire.
phrozenflameOh did i mention Simorgh, the F-5A to F-5B conversion by the Iran Aircraft Manufacturing Industries (IAMI) at Shahin Shahr Isfahan with the help of Pakistani Engineers. 😀
:confused: lol really?? 😮 😮 heh
phrozenflameMarjayoun is just 4 miles off and that meeting was about the withdrawl of the IDF to come and the hand-over to the Lebanese army.
Too much details for you? A look into the map may have had solved your problem. If you have still problems with that, please tell me, I will help you!
You dont get 4 miles wide borders in most of the world I think…so..its not on the border. I would not need to get myself more misguided seeking help from you, So Thank you v. much.
phrozenflameWhy not? None is hurt by drinking tea. Drinking tea at a border to come to agreements is much more intelligent than to shoot each other.
Merjayoun is not the “border”. Israelis went their to capture that area. Are you saying that Lebanese should hand over thier land to Israel without fighting? but tea? Maybe you guys should do it ? and maybe that would inspire the others to think about it :diablo:
Comparing Alexendar’s Campaigns to this is not appropriate in my opinion, while one side with tight budget is defending its land from a much superior army with unlimited funding. That was not the case with Alexander or Persia. And I dont see Arabs and Jews interbreeding anytime soon either.
phrozenflameIndia ahead of China in naval aviation: Vice Admiral
Kochi,Aug 17: The Indian Navy, which was far ahead of China in the field of Naval Aviation, should not allow the gap to be bridged, Flag Officer Commanding in Chief Southern Naval Command, Vice Admiral Jagjit Singh Bedi, said today.
Inaugurating a symposium ‘Changing Face of Aviation’, organised in connection with the golden jubilee celebrations of the School of Naval Airmen (SFNA) here, Bedi said a high powered Chinese delegation, which had been on a world trip to study carrier borne flying, had recently visited India.
The Chinese are “feverishly” working on an aircraft carrier and ‘Varyah’, the old Russian carrier bought by the Chinese, was getting readied.
“Having the hardware is one thing, but exploiting the same is a totally different ball game,” he said.
In the field of Naval aviation, the Indian Navy has a headstart of four-and-a-half decades on the Chinese navy and this gap must not allowed to be bridged, he said.
The Navy was on the threshold of inducting MIG 29K, LCA, new LRMP aircraft, among others, which will pose a challenge, he said but expressed confidence that SFNA would update its methodology to man and operate these aircraft safely.
SFNA would be shifting to its new complex with state-of-the-art training facilities in 2008.
Various papers were also presented at the symposium.
The Post Master General released the first day cover on the celebrations. — PTI
Related link: http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?…ullnews&id=8355
phrozenflameI just hope the Lebanese Army doesnt serves IDF tea next time they enter thier land…like they did this time.
Hezbollah has a good reason to exist after tapes surfacing showing high ranked lebenese soldiers serving tea to Israelis in Merjayoun. Thats more than a good reason.
No one buys this kidnapping thing as a cause of war usually, becuase Kidnapping is part of Israeli policy itself.
phrozenflame2. to believe a Pulitzer award winner for investigational journalism who has spent past few week studying the whole matter… Guess who will i choose?
He’s the guy who exposed Abu Ghraib abuses I beleive..I read it somewhere on BBc, cant find a link..
phrozenflameFace the reality, when you start a war you are responsible for your losses too !
Hezbollah fighters crossed the Blue-line (international border set by the UN and observed) by force into Israel. It was not the first incident and the Lebanon was ordered to disarm Hezbollah before. Hezbollah and Lebanon ignored that and renewed hostilities. Idiots have to suffer always!
I am not pleased to see my taxpayers money given to Lebanon to help such careless fools.
Well I guess then Americans are responsible for bringing Sept 11 upon themselves? And I suppose you are pleased to see your money going for smart and precise ammunition which killed civilians by *mistake* :confused:
I dont know what civilization and uncivilized people Bush talks about, you guys have same logic at the end of the day to justify the killings of civilians…you can kill them becuase they support hezbollah..and the other idiot laden can come attack your civilians becuase well..you support Israel and bla bla bla happening in Iraq etc… and both seem equally [in]famous among the world 😮
Matter of fact is if you look at the events before the kidnappings, it was the Israeli jets terrorizing the Lebenon, bombing and what not…, so if you throw out the western media bias, it was the Hezbollah that was provoked. Not what you imply.
Sens, stope justifying your tax money which went on to kill innocent civilians, which will be later used by extremists to recruit and then attack your civilians, which is then a headache among us moderates to deal with…since we are the weak, and they are the super power and that makes us the backward illiterate people who are crushed between the two sides all the time….and then you throw bombs on our streets and they blow themselves up also on our streets and your streets…seems like a plan to turn all Islamic world moderate into headless extremists..another excuse for a war on whole of Islamic world heh?, I’m sure even thats planned in Pentagon and Tel Aviv 😉
Its hard to say to be honest who won the war but we know the civilians on both sides of the border lost. and it will be better the sooner we accept that fact without making excuses. Hezbollah is busy paying for the losses of civilians, Israelis are playing the blame game of losses with an inquiry…see it shows..nobody won and who lost.
I doubt cease fire will hold much long, when the new plans are up, when the mistakes are rectified, then suddenly UN will fail among American and Israeli eyes..and they will destroy everything again. If you want to defeat Hezbollah, stop the reason for thier existence, give back what belongs to them, give them Shebaa farms back.
phrozenflameKidnapping 2 soldiers gives Israel no justification to killl the civilians, even those who supported Hezbollah.
Thats the same logic Al Qaeda uses to kill American civilians, they pay taxes for Israel, and vote for bush…you know lame reasons like yours…so it risks them their lives….you know…same reason as yours…so according to your reasons… Sept 11 attacks were as justified as Israeli aggresion on Lebenon. *shrug*
So please dont make any excuses, there are no excuses of killing civilians. Unfortunately Everyone kills them, some become terrorists, some become heroes, depending how much you invested on your lobbyists @ capitol hill.
phrozenflameIt was not a conflict Israel vs Lebanon, but Israel vs Hezbollah. Primary objectives were 1. rescue the kidnapped soldiers, 2. disarm Hezbollah and 3. eventually destroy its whole network. None of these objectives were met. So, how can you claim Israelis winners? by killing 1000+ civilians? What has this to do with victory?
You forgot to add, 4. Hezbollah’s ability to fire rockets, seems like they got more capable of firing as the war progressed, firing more and more rockets. You dont boot head of IDF Northern Command for nothing mate.
But You fail to see the bigger picture, you really think this all plan came onto drawing board after the 2 israeli soldiers were kidnapped from a disputed territory?
Everything was in plan, Israelis needed an excuse and they got one..and they set their plan in motion. If its only Hezbollah vs Israel, I’d say Hezbollah won hands down. But you cant simply ignore the terror Israel brought upon lebanese and let me tell you, even in that Israel lost, the Israeli terror made the support for Hezbollah even stronger, Mr. Nasrallah is the rock star of the Islamic world, sunni or shia, doesnt matter as long as USrael is the enemy…well thats the common term they use here in Kuwait for Israel and America. And guess what, Hezbollah is going to pay some compensation too for all the damage Israel did. Thats how you win hearts and minds. Thats an example you want to remember. Not Iraq.
One of my Christian Lebense freind, he didnt like Hezbollah, when things started he said its between Israel and Hezbollah, but once they started bombing everything Lebenon, Nasrallah was his hero, he told me the Airport doesnt belongs to Christians, Sunnis or Shi’as, It belongs to all Lebenese.
phrozenflameSo if Hezbollah are using villages for shelters then simply level the villages. Simple as that. Instead we have a situation where the IDF is obviously practising levels of restraints just like the US is in Iraq.
What restraint? They have levelled almost all the villages south of the Litani river and the southern suburbs of Beirut…why do you think they kicked the civilians out of the areas? So they dont need to practice any restraint….which is a good and a bad thing..I mean I would mind alot if someone threatened to kick me out of the house by saying My ‘pin-point’ accurate missile can hit your house by ‘mistake’.
phrozenflameWell important part is Hezbullah is the winner on confrontation.
What? Israel destroyed an entire country, ruined its economy, spread terror by killing ~1000 civilians, flattened the whole south….what did Hezbollah do? Fire ~3000 obselete rockets into Israel? Israeli shelling is more effective than the rockets and they have fired alot alot alot more than 3000, and I dont count conscript casualities as civilian casualties.
phrozenflameArent the Iranians producing Cobras at home or am I misinformed?
phrozenflameErrm…IDRW reads “Revolution in Indian defence Journalism, seems like the revolution is going full speed on reverse gear [wink]
I have yet to see which Pakistani news agency as claimed by the site has published this report..havent seen it on any credible news paper so far… and
“India Web Editiors need Microsoft Office from Uncle Sam…not just F-18s.”
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