Originally posted by PLA
Since this guy is a poster in the magazine…
You read the latest AFM? Then you agree with his line at Kamra… The rest is probably also true…

Usman Shabbir
Administrator Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,304

Re: Your questions for JF-17 Project

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There were five people involved in the discussion, your truly, another PakDef member (take a guess?), AVM Shahid Latif, Gp Capt Khalid Mehmood (of the Afghan fame), currently involved with the avionics of the JF-17 and another friend from the PAF. After introductions I started by asking the first question posted by Rafaqat “ 1. If PAF has conducted a training requirements assessment regarding induction of JF-17’s, how will they be met ?’’ The AVM replied that yes we are working on simulators for JF-17 and they will play an essential part in the training of future JF-17 pilots. The rest of the discussion picked up from there and we discussed almost everything related to JF-17. According to AVM the radar has already been chosen for the JF-17, though he didn’t tell me what exact radar but I guessed it when he told me some specifications and he was kind enough to acknowledge that I got the right answer One radar is the Grifo S7 and the second radar is very similar to the one found on Mirage 2000-5, the only difference is the output power, 500 W instead of the 800 W. According to AVM after the sanctions were lifted many more companies joined the race for the supply of JF-17 avionics and weapons suite and of course this gave PAF some new choices. One example of it is that now JF-17 will feature a Helmet Display System (not Helmet Mounted System), with complete ToT of course. Regarding the engine I asked the AVM that if the engine is RD-93 then what guarantees are there that the Russians will not play hard-ball later? AVM replied that the Chinese have given Pakistan written guarantees and the Chinese themselves have written guarantees from Russia which they showed to Pakistan. About the smokey engine issue the AVM told me that one reason of it was that the Chinese were using some home-made (non NATO standard) fuel and second the PAF has told the Russians and the Chinese that PAF will not accept the engine unless the smoke issue is sorted out and they have assured the PAF that this problem will be sorted out very soon.
Currently there are four PAF test-pilots involved with the project (and tons of engineers and technicians) and I asked for some pictures of the third prototype that’s under going construction (by PAF engineers) and AVM promised that I will get them soon. Other than the pictures I will also get continuous updates about JF-17 project, i.e. how many hours logged, how many prototypes completed etc. and of course a full-fledged tour of the second JF-17 assembly line being constructed at Kamra

Many of you guys must be interested in knowing the cockpit layout, right? The JF-17 will feature three large colored MFD’s and two smaller ones (for RWR, AH etc.) and also a full-fledged integrated ECM suite. According to AVM the airframe weight of the JF-17 will also go down considerably after using some composites giving the JF-17 a better 1:1 TWR.

Regarding the weapons suite there are many options available to the PAF and according to the AVM some of the weapon deals will be finalized within a month (There were many A-G and A-A missile models on his side table including one of U-Darter).

About j10:
Yes, we also discussed the J-10 for a while. Chinese have agreed in principle to supply the J-10 to Pakistan and right now PAF is waiting for a go ahead for the evaluation team. The whole process (after the go ahead to the evaluation team) is expected to take approximately a year.

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^^ I had posted that already 😉

Here are more important Points Mr. Usman posted:

1:There will be ToT for every JF-17 part (including radar) – this is the most important point.

2:One important thing that I forgot to tell you all is that the production models of JF-17 will feature a full digital FBW and not a combination of conventional (hydraulic) and FBW.

3:NO, it does not mean that the entire avionics package will be from Thales – other avionic units may come from some other company or country. Almost every component that will go in the JF-17 will be manufactured in Pakistan via ToT. There are second and third options in case something goes wrong with the first option. According to AVM they have at least 5 contenders for the JF-17 avionics suite – some joined the race after the sanctions were lifted, which is one reason why PAF delayed the selection so that it could also evaluate those new offers.

Originally posted by aditya
[I]Suff gets reproduced and spreads all over the net – I dont want unsuspecting newbies falling for them and getting into arguments over em. Even if the original artist points out that its fantasy in his orginal post, some websites will pick it up and go “Exclusive! Exclusive come and see!” :rolleyes:

and it gets posted here and than what?? –> We have have a royal rumble..and in the end nobody wins

i personally beleive that PAF should give up on F-16s, and spend those resources on making JF-17 even more better, which is already way better than PAF F-16s, Make JF-17 better with resources allocated for possible second-hand F-16 purchase, and with rest of the money buy some high-tech plane…or even better buy high-tech avionics and put em up on jf-17s..but that be putting all eggs in one basket, so…they should go for some high tech planes…had 2.5 or 3 billion allocated last year, must be more now for the purchase, The delay is due to the lift of sanctions, more companies ar noe involved for avionics race for JF-17s, so once PAF finalizes the capabilities of JF-17, it can then go for high tech plane it wants.

Originally posted by Indian1973
as russia apparently isnt developing anything beyond the R77,
I think the writing is clear…india hasnt funded anything in that
dept. India is probably working with israel on domestic Astra missile to replace the R77 eventually.
increasingly india turns away from russia in defence electronics
and most to israel or domestic and france to an extent.

I kind of agree..no wonder Russia has started selling stuff to Pakistan indirectly *RD-93*, Helicopters etc.

From Pakdef : (Very credible)

YOu’ve ALL GOT TO READ ALL THAT THREAD:
http://www.pakdef.info/forum/showthread.php?t=4905&page=2

Just a summary for good news by our grat freind:

Usman Shabbir
Administrator

Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,303
Re: Your questions for JF-17 Project
There were five people involved in the discussion, your truly, another PakDef member (take a guess?), AVM Shahid Latif, Gp Capt Khalid Mehmood (of the Afghan fame), currently involved with the avionics of the JF-17 and another friend from the PAF. After introductions I started by asking the first question posted by Rafaqat “ 1. If PAF has conducted a training requirements assessment regarding induction of JF-17’s, how will they be met ?’’ The AVM replied that yes we are working on simulators for JF-17 and they will play an essential part in the training of future JF-17 pilots. The rest of the discussion picked up from there and we discussed almost everything related to JF-17. According to AVM the radar has already been chosen for the JF-17, though he didn’t tell me what exact radar but I guessed it when he told me some specifications and he was kind enough to acknowledge that I got the right answer One radar is the Grifo S7 and the second radar is very similar to the one found on Mirage 2000-5, the only difference is the output power, 500 W instead of the 800 W. According to AVM after the sanctions were lifted many more companies joined the race for the supply of JF-17 avionics and weapons suite and of course this gave PAF some new choices. One example of it is that now JF-17 will feature a Helmet Display System (not Helmet Mounted System), with complete ToT of course. Regarding the engine I asked the AVM that if the engine is RD-93 then what guarantees are there that the Russians will not play hard-ball later? AVM replied that the Chinese have given Pakistan written guarantees and the Chinese themselves have written guarantees from Russia which they showed to Pakistan. About the smokey engine issue the AVM told me that one reason of it was that the Chinese were using some home-made (non NATO standard) fuel and second the PAF has told the Russians and the Chinese that PAF will not accept the engine unless the smoke issue is sorted out and they have assured the PAF that this problem will be sorted out very soon.
Currently there are four PAF test-pilots involved with the project (and tons of engineers and technicians) and I asked for some pictures of the third prototype that’s under going construction (by PAF engineers) and AVM promised that I will get them soon. Other than the pictures I will also get continuous updates about JF-17 project, i.e. how many hours logged, how many prototypes completed etc. and of course a full-fledged tour of the second JF-17 assembly line being constructed at Kamra

More later…

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EnjoY..the thing keeps getting better..

Originally posted by matt
What about Saudi Arabia or the UAE?

This time i am serious.

Reason: They have spent shed loads of money buying Challengers and tornados and AWACS but when sadam came knocking.. well.. i didnt see them respond.

Whats the point of having one of the most technologically superior armed forces in the region if you do not intend to use it.

he came knoking on kuwait which i beleive had 50 or so odd tanks that time?? no idea about AF, i was reading they Kuwaiti police did not even have enough arms to arm all there policemen, it was a small nation attacked by big brotherly nation and taken by suprise…no fault of kuwaitis.