phrozenflameRe: NUCLEAR…..^&*%
Originally posted by Saleem S Hatoum
Yes, Pakistan is the ONLY freaking country on the face of earth which has sold nuclear technology to others?????????? How about Israel selling to and helping South Africa and India? How about Russia selling and helping China, North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Libya and India? How about Yanks selling and helping Israel, South Africa, Brazil, Japan, Taiwan, Argentina, Iran, Pakistan, and India? How about Germany and Canada selling and helping Israel, Brazil, Argentina, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Pakistan and India????If all of you who believe only Pakistan has been guilty for selling the nuclear technology than you have only reached your puberty few months ago since NONE of you have ever read or heard about the speech of American President Eisenhower “Atoms for Peace.”???????????:p :p :p
Well said.
phrozenflameOriginally posted by Sami
You do realize the diffrence between selling a nuclear reactor and giving the technology for a centrifuge.No offence, dude. I do appreciate you sticking up for your country, but it is pretty obvious that Pakistan has been very irresponsible when it comes to nuclear technology.
Some links that talks about very recent involvments:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/23/opinion/23TUE1.htmlhttp://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/22/international/asia/22STAN.html?pagewanted=all&position=
duh..
Russia sold its tech to india, China to Pak etc…USA infact gave ready made waheads to israel..so what!? what happened..nothing…whats happening nothing??.
BTW pla and h177..you guys pakistanis?
phrozenflameOriginally posted by matt
Another country? what bulgaria?@phrozenflame
Sorry mate dont take this the wrong way but unless your working in the ISI or your helped modify the SHAHAB-3 (remember Iran said it wont make a 4th it will improve the systems on the 3rd) how can you even compare them with the North Korean missiles that you have?
Than i suggest you find the video of the latest pak missile firing, why do you think Pak is testing a same missile again and again?? becuase its improving it, btw Pakistan now makes missiles indegenously with better guidance systems than that of N.Korea, now you dont drag this issue on this post becuase we’ll soon find out both sides flaming each other…
phrozenflameOriginally posted by SOC
1. Iran is the state sponsor of Hizbollah, so in a sense, they are “in that business” 😀
That would be no excuse to bomb Iranian Nuke plants, go bomb hezbollah instead, much easier anyway,
As for consequences, USA involved or not, it will face all the backclash from extremists becuase israel is too secure for them so naturally they’ll say oh well…israel america same thing..lets go blow some bombs and plane in USA, so USA is in equation automatically, so USA will have to completely support the move, or deny it and stop Israel doing it aswell, which im nor sure they’re capable of seeing the past history.
@distiller: Russians Sats will pick it up, and next thing you know is jews paying billions of dollars yearly to keep the russians quite, than you have EU, dont ask about it, it’ll get leaked lol.
Other conequences would be Ayatollahs will be the next heros among muslims even if few targets got bombed, they’ll shout out louad that israel failed to destroy everything and so they failed there objectives and so we win, so they’ll be sitting in power for next 50 years, same thing happed when iraq attackd iran, ppl got united against common enemy and forgot the internal problems.
and plz dont discuss that we should have nukes, they wont, and this and that bla bla bla, no point here, there is an israel vs palestine post on other forum, go throw rants over there, its just for that lol. Keep it as much unpolitical as you can.
Other consequences can be Iran shooting shahab, it will be perfect chance for them, World wouldnt make a noise about that, they’ll aim it Israel’s nuke assets and other important stuff, now shahabs arent very accurate, to hit a nuke you should have atleast CEP of 100-75 m or other importanat targets,in the region now only Pak ballistic missiles are that accurate and thats upto 800 KM only as of now, so the software and other technical stuff is no no for iran unless it can strike israel from 800 km?? (I’m assuming CEP becuase in the last missile test, Pak not only showed the missile taking off, they showed it landing as well, and it hit only few metres away from the intended target of red flag with little warhead to test the trigger)
Anway, Shahab strike is no no for iran, it mighht end up hitting Arafat, and the only arab nation celebrating would be Kuwait, lol.
best Iran could do is create more problems in already full of problem iraq, which i not in anyone’s interest.
Politically, strike is not possible, so dont ring politics.
Stage 2: Assume the planes are inside iran, they get the beep just before planes enter the border and iran takes action, lets discuss the action now..
phrozenflameOriginally posted by ScreaM
Yes I was wrong about the defence budget its 4.7% hehe mistake. But that’s still twice as much as India. Haha speaking of Bal thackery, I don’t know him and I don’t think he’s a man of any significance. Maybe he has some support in Bombay but the rest of India doesn’t care what he does. We don’t see Thackery walking around telling people to attack infidels or turn themselves in suicide bombers. We don’t see the world talking about Hindu extremism, everyone talking about Islamic extremism. Pakistan’s name comes up in almost every terrorist attack in the world.The September 11th terrorists supposedly visited Pakistan lots of times. I suppose they came to Pakistan for sight seeing. India was responsible for the seperation of Pakistan in 1971, do you want me to show you a picture of your General surrendering??:D
Haha 1965 was a victory according to you. Check this out its from a neutral source, not an Indoo or Yehudi source.When did I say that Scorpene, Mirage 2000-D’s, Akula-II’s, Tu-22 bombers where in India 😀 I merely stated that India is negotiating for them. Someone said and I merely stated that the same was the case for Pakistan.:p
Really? When did India say that?? Why don’t you show us some credible links?? Pappu use your head all you people in Pakistan are not from Persia or Middle East you were Hindu’s as well, but you chose to convert to Islam so good for you. India has far more Muslims than Pakistan has, so why would we feel suppressed?
Talking about Dark ages, India was the 2nd richest civilization before the Moguls came to India. Why do you think they came to India, because it was rich? What happens if Taj Mahal was made by a muslim, even Shah Jahan called India, Hindustan haha.Feeling racially superior are we?? You seem to think Pakistani’s are very different from Indian’s we look the same, we eat the same food, speak the same language. If you go to Lucknow they speak far better Urdu than what you speak in Pakistan;)
The true Muslims in India stay in Delhi etc which where the capitals of Mughal empire, they didn’t stay in Pakistan. There wasn’t a Pakistan 60 years ago. But there was always India or Hindustan.
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There is no race in Islam :P, btw india is the name given by greeks not indians :P, he called it indica i guess
India has more muslims oh really? ok boy proove it ..
phrozenflameOriginally posted by Erez
I understand, and I was talking about some technical details.
BTW, I think the Iranians are good people. I just “dislike” the regime. I’m sure you all know how good allies we were in the past.
BTW#2, Did you know we even offered them to develope the Arye with us?
And look what’s happening now. It’s truly sad.:(
To tell you a thing, ppl everywhere are good but these politicians really mess up things, i have a personal view that every political leader is corrupt to some extent. you know i have many indian freinds, one of them is among my best freind, i know him for 11 years..we never had a fight, you may think i’m like very anti-india here etc, personally i’m not, its just when someone make comments you get mad and i beleive its like that for many other ppl here…anyway back to the topic…
@PAF fan..why need to refuel over turkey?? it’ll make the route even longer, they can jus refuel over iraq, given current situation its unlikely becuase iran has done what USA asked for, it has no excuse to take hostile action against iran, maybe Israeli subs can do someting? they’ll have sea-to-land missiles? if they do its the safest bet for israelis, Iran cant do anything about that, israel may not carry out air strikes becuase iran will be expecting it, and it only needs a beep on the radar before it throws everything at israel planes..so the safest way for israel will be sea-to-surface missiles..now i dont know if Israel has any or its subs are capable of launching ballistic missiles from subs..someone can enlighten me up..
phrozenflameOriginally posted by h177
LCA looks like a FLAT BED
I like LCA from bottom angle..looks nice to me, but other angles..dunno..maybe once in iaf colours they’ll look good from other angles
phrozenflameOriginally posted by ScreaM
-The Mirage 2000 and scorpene deals are far more realistic than those drug induced Pakistani dreams about getting F-22’s, F-16’s, Eurofighters and Rafales.-At least India has the money to buy 120 Mirage 2000D’s. India has a budget of $15billion and that’s only 2-2.5% of GDP. Whereas Pakistan’s defence budget is $2.5billion which is 7-8% of GDP.
-The whole world recognizes that Pakistan is a breeding ground for terrorists and Pakistani’s specialize in MADRASSA universities.
When did Pakistan kickass???:D Pakistan really kicked India’s ass when Indian captured 90,000 Pakistani POW’s and sliced Pakistan(the PILLAR OF ISLAM) in two.;)
Stop dreaming boy.
Ahhh…time to prove you wrong again kiddo,
-First of all we never talked about F-22, its sharmaji..he got the news from somewhere, probably some of his relatives work in raw, ask him.
-Pakistan atm is evaluating planes which it can get, it will make its choice dont worry, priority atm is the avionics of fc-1.
-7-8% of GDP?? oh realy? its 4.6%..get ur facts straight..thats what bal thakery told you?? btw did u know bal thakery is giving out money for those who will increase theire family sizes?? koz to supress minorities further thru demographic means?? go read some of ur own news before u make wild assumptions.
-Nobody apart from india recognises stuff about madrassas, they’re good means of free education..you get to study sciences, computers etc..you get free food, living…everything for free….see if u find anything like that anywhere else…there maybe few cases that link to terrorism..but not majority of them boy, btw madrassa means school in Arabic, and it is just that. btw Pakistan also has some of the best universities in asia. You’ll find them once u start thinking ‘out-of-ur-typical-mentallity’.
-aww you still think india was responsible for 1971 separation?? oh my….It was internal crises, india just added feul to fire..nothing else…you go ask bengalis..they say they won their independance, you ask pakistanis..they also say bengalis so what is the third party doing here?? lol..Bangladesh would have broken anyway…india or no india. As for Pakistan kicking ass…duh…we liberated almost half the kashmir in 48..you win the war lol, India gets heavy beating and they fail to achieve their objectives in 65 war..PN travels hundreds of miles into indian waters unopposed..who kicks ass?? india offcourse rofl…cant go on lol..no time,so long list.
as for elite pakistani forces, lol i wont buy ur BR crap boy, get some facts straight from some good sources.
Pakistan tells when things are at home hohoh You mean to say the FC-1 is in Pakistan?? The SD-10 is in Pakistan??? Then the mystical FT-2000. Its far more realistic if India claims that it will get the S-400, which is better than the FT-2000.
oh where did Pak claim fc-1 is in pakistan?? tell me plz do, when did Pak tell sd-10 is in pakistan?? as for FT-2000..when did Pak say it is in Pakistan?? last i hear they’ll buy it when indians get phalcon.
and why do indians say the 1971 was the revenge for 800 years of supression?? hmm…Islam pulled india out of dark ages and made it the richest empire of that time boy..its the same islam which you dont like, which you want to destroy, hell even Taj mahal is made by a muslim ruler…and then u go down 250-350 years, these muslims breakway and form Pakistan.
I’ll come back on this thread when we some technical stuff o talk about, not BR propaganda, I’m out peace
phrozenflamebtw which is the most advanced engine atm?? the one on F-22?
phrozenflameOriginally posted by Erez
What’s the point of this thread?
Israel will have to destroy these facilities. We are talking about life and death here.
It’s only a question of time until we’ll see videos of F-15Is over Tehran. We may suffer some losses. The Iranian Air Force has F-14s for example, and some MiG-29s. It will be different from the 1981 attack on Iraq. They’re Air Force started shooting only after our airplanes finished the job. I trust it won’t be the same this time. Iran is far more clever than that.
Too bad we came to this situation. We could have been best friends:D
The point of this thread is technical stuff discussed, Sams etc.
and can we keep it non-political? I dont care what Israelis or palestinians or iranians think of each other..r… why start the most controversial political discussion??? keep it millitary ok..thanks
phrozenflameOriginally posted by ScreaM
-Even Ukraine won’t sell Pakistan anymore T-80’s.-72km is nothing, if you look at Su-30MKI’s uplook capability its 350km for a fighter the size of an f16 that’s far more than anything Pakistan has.
– Pakistan now produces a Tank at home which is good enough for its requirements, thats why PAK doesnt need any more tanks, and even if Pak needed any, Chinese tanks atm are superior to Ukranian. Ukraine was the country which was hit the most economically after the fall of USSR..thats what i read in a book, they’ll sell to anyone for money.
-350 km range is for very big targets like ships etc, not for fighters, it comes down to be ~150 km..or if u want discount from me..make it 170km b4 anyone else jumps upon me lol.
And scream when the scorpene and mirage2k deals are finalised then you talk about it, hell even goroshkov deal has’nt finalized.
India will beat drums about things which aree like 5-6-7 years away, PAF doesnt, it tells when the things are at home and ready to kick ass, I bet Indian millitary men will be re-writing stretagies after PAF got ability to strike from 120 km away with precision, and personally i dont beleive its a BVR missile, its RAPTOR 2.
@Saberace: Because we see ppl like mirage and rest of the cartoon network brigade jump upon Pak threads making purely flame-related posts, atleast we dont do that.
phrozenflameOriginally posted by matt
I dont think i can, but ill try to look. I have not made it up promise, its just that it was from the Sunday Times a hard copy news paper and i am not sure if they will print that on the internet, the article even mentions that all of the war games Israel has are aimed at Egypt and that it was the revelation that Israel considered egypt as its number one threat to the Americans that lead to the US delaying F-15’s to egypt.
isnt Iran enemy no.1 ?? heard that in news today..
phrozenflameI’m surprised, I was under the impression that the SAM network of israel is quite good enough to give someone a scare and the radars will be like super-high tech…but you never know egyptions.they’re the hardest working among arab nations..
phrozenflameOriginally posted by Wolverine
Trishul will also be usedf as a point defence SAM on board the navy’s ships. its role will be similar to barak. Trishul has already demonstrated its sea skiming capability.
Why will it need to have sea skimming capability?? is it meant to also shoot down planes and sea skimming missiles?
phrozenflameRe: “Palestinans” should be dealt with like Taliban
There are two wrong trying to make a right..which i think is impossible.
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