Here’s a comment by an enthusiast from another Forum where they have been discussing this thread :
“The FlyPast Forum seem an angry lot, don’t they? “
:p
Boy the internet sure does bring out the worst in us 🙁
Sadly not enough of the best.
I watched the Channel 4 screening with great interest and have just trawled this entire thread. While the programme demonstrated better production values than I had any reason to expect from such TV entertainment, the latter has certainly generated far more heat than light on occasion. No matter – Andy Saunders and his team have advanced the cause of ‘aviation archaeology’ in their approach to, and execution of, this investigation and I commend them. In my view, he has also shown commendable restraint and tolerance but must surely weary of ‘casting pearls before swine’.
Best point made so far – forget everything else – excellent positive exposure for aviation archaeology AND a great war hero and his comrades have been given a good airing. BRAVO! 😀 one and all 😀
Bader’s Spitfire may be under that lake! You can’t draw any definate conclusions until that avenue has been explored !
I never met Bader or Casson, so like many here I only have the facts infront of me . . .one 109 accounted for by Nip Hepple and one ‘109’ accounted for by Casson – the loss described perfectly the way Bader was lost. My G*d I think if you take away ALL the what’s and if’s and maybe’s it is pretty obvious what happened.
Casson shot Bader down. Bader, (Mega Legend), can’t live it down and snubs Casson . . .now listen guys there may be another theory . . .bare with me . . .
In Brian Kingcome’s book ‘A Willingness To Die’ he describes a deliberate friendly-fire episode in 1941 of a Spitfire pilot on his Wing Commander, also in a Spitfire, and who was generally despised. Back in 1967 this caused a massive tabloid storm but in his book Kingcome (to his credit and my frustration) never disclosed the identity of those pilots . . .is it at all possible that Bader was knocked down by ‘other means’?
I generally find an open mind is the key to most locked doors to mysteries unsolved.
I can’t find for the life of me the identity of that Wing Commander, or the junior pilot. Maybe it was Bader, and . . . ?
As an aside – absolutely cracking programme, and I certainly feel more in awe of Bader after hearing that brave Fireman describe how walking with false legs is ‘like walking on ice with NO feeling whatsoever underneath’ . . . Bader did that AND flew a fighter aircraft in battle. Awsome.
This Is Your Life
Is there anywhere where a copy of DB’s epsiode of This Is Your Life can be obtained ?
A super interview transcript with Bader, and an interesting account of his last sortie . . .where he jokingly says he thought Johnnie Johnson shot him down ! 😮
http://home.tiscali.be/ed.ragas/awshistory/awsbader.html
Andy.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m sure that in the 1970’s Gerrie Zwannenberg was a leader in the recovery of many aircraft that appeared after great tracts of land had been drained and wreckage appeared in broad daylight.
I wish the MOD shared the same compassion and drive as the Dutch and US for example in sekking out MIA’s.
Andy Saunders rocks ! 😀
This thread should be a bonus feature when the programme comes out on DVD. I can’t remember looking forward to checking a thread’s progress more than this one !
Whatever the opinions and emotions, I think everyone ultimately shares the same passion, so good on you guys. I’m looking forward to the show.
Andy.
Fingers crossed that the programme will do Andy Saunders’ brilliant research justice. The evidence that Bader was shot down by Buck Casson is overwhelming – the old boy should have come clean in his lifetime. . .
Hey Ali don’t do a runner – you probably have more support than you realise. I’ll drop you a line after I’ve moved house on the 28th . . .I dive, sail love speed and have two little lads who ski on the wake of my dreams !!! They’ll catch up soon but boy life so far is great and rewards are on the shirt tails of dreams 😀
Andy.
DO IT ! 😀 Fololow your dream and go for it 🙂
Anything is possible 😀
Oh oh – backup’s arrived . . . :diablo: Where’s number three, girlie Snapper ? :diablo:
Mods, move this baby to General Discussion, the bullies from PlaneTalk want a bun fight HOORAH :p
aagh – ya got me ! 😉
Hello mate 😉