The information that SPVA-JCCC collect is kept on file but is not released to other individuals / groups.
Also the detail required on the form for documenting finds is not that great and the timescale they allow for return of the form rarely allows for proper cleaning let alone catalouging of parts. In recent digs I have taken part in within a few weeks a letter has arrived demanding the finds form be submitted.
Neil, you should be aware of just how large a task cleaning parts is so they are identifiable and that while it is easy to get 20 people for a dig try getting that number every weekend for however long it takes to clean everything.
The typical dig will yield maybe just a handful of items worth recording on the finds form + x lbs of misc scrap. The last dig we did had 1 reduction gear, 1 oxygen bottle, 2 propellor spigots, a section of engine bearer, half a dozen valves, a counter weight and about 150lb of misc engine fragments, mainly casing but some through bolts and cam shaft fragments and bits of alloy.
It took a lot of effort just to clean that lot but it has only been recorded by photograph so far.
Been there, im one of the few who cleans the items after the dig and trys to set the display up.
Maybe a longer time scale needs to be implemted or maybe a more detailed report to be added when all is done.
A database of every relic ever recovered from every crash-site would surely be pointless not to mention impracticable; the sheer volume of material recovered, its condition and the huge task of cataloguing it in enough detail for such a database to be of any use. Also where is the incentive? Those required to carry out this vast task would be unlikely to benefit from it in proportion to the amount of work required.
Personally I don’t understand what is wrong with most recovered artefacts being the hands of private individuals. Often such artefacts can foster a great interest in specific incidents and lead to detailed individual research that larger museums have neither the resources nor the inclination to carry out.
In my opinion the internet is the perfect tool to publish such personal research and also to allow those with a personal connection with the crash, or who are related to the aircrew involved to contact those that have carried out the research. Through this interaction a greater understanding of the personal history can be gained, detail can be added and in some cases ghosts can be laid to rest.
Where there is a specific type, such as a Stirling, Whitley or Whirlwind that has escaped preservation then of course special efforts should be made to collect as much information and to preserve as many artefacts as possible but for other, better preserved, types I don’t see the point.
I suspect part of the problem here is that several groups/individuals would like to think they are the ‘rightful’ custodian of the few relics that remain.
The details and scope of such a task would be horrendous to carry out but with a modern day dig license you are already stating what items were recovered and from what and where.
With a gap occuring before licences were needed i thought it could be usefull if sites and items could possibly be accounted for in an amnesty.
The amateur wreckology people are important in this task and are much needed.
Information and technology today like the internet make the task of research alot easier then in the past. So if a site has been dug on in the past and has been refound it would help to know what was recovered in an earlier effort.
Not to try and take the items away from the people but to log and take a photo of the item which would bring a fuller finish to the research and maybe help items disapearing forever into obscurity.
Is it possible to find out what has been found from previous licensed digs from the MOD, is this public info???????
Neil996
Also, a Wacom tablet or something similar is very handy for “stroking” more like a brush. Much more organic feel than mousing it all. A small 4x5ish tablet would probably do it. They take a while to get used to, but are extremely useful.
Use lots of layers, play with opacity, build up the colors….just have fun(as long as you aren’t on a deadline!)
I was thinking of getting one of those, and this would be the perfect time to get one. cheers for the info – very helpfull!
Neil996
I do ALL of it in Photoshop, though as you can see from mine, not a “blackline” showing. For color wash in line work, it probably would be best to do the line art in Illustrator, and color it up in Photoshop. Lots of layers is best. Copy a layer before you do anything drastic. That is the wonderful thing about layers as opposed to hand painting….whoops….wash it off….start over !!This ’17 I have been working on is not just nose art, it is full length, 36″ and high resolution. BIG file. Still tracking down rivit patterns for the aft section, tail and wing bottoms. Just takes time!
Thankfully ive done abit on photo’s in photoshop, the couple of art prints ive done have been based on memorial agenda’s and all ive needed is aircraft silohettes which ive got from building the aircraft model, taking pics from various angles and then cutting the shape and blacking it out.
The Me109 looks great, i would be interested in adding the oil stains and scrapes etc like this one.
Neil996
To do profiles in Photoshop and the like, here is the rough order of business.
1. Find a good line profile of the subject you want (this may be harder than you think) It needs to bee large in pixel scale. Compare several, try to find the most accurate. Lots of reference photos help.
2. Make it BIG. Make the image 1/4 to 1/3 bigger than the final size you want to produce in the end. It is always better to make it bigger and ruduce it down a bit. Sharpens it up nicely.
3. Probably have to redraw the lines and tweak it to your desired line-weight
4. Pick a style, flat coloring or shaded coloring, black line overlay or more realistic-no black lines showing just panel edge highlights and shaddows, clean or weathered.
5. Make an extra layer on top with this outline(just black, no white. Add layers between to start “painting”.If only it were that simple!!
Here is a bit of a project I have been working on, it is reduced by 1/3, and yes, it is HUGE.
Most of all, Have fun and try not to pull your hair out!
Cheers for that i appreciate it, i tried a few years ago to do the line bit in Illustrator when i was trying to come up with motorbike paint designs.
I think this type of art looks great when you want to show off markings etc.
which bit would you do in Photoshop and in Illustrator?
Great bit of Nose art!
i dont have much hair now so will rant and swear at screen instead!
Haven’t had much energy for it the last couple years but I really got into doing profiles for a bit, self taught in Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop. Nothing compared to the other stuff here, but fun
Model building without the glue. I need to finish some Spit stuff for someone soon too.
What I thought was my best 109E
The P51C Mustang I keep working on to get as much detail as I can. Getting there but a ways to go
Ive always been interested in this type of art, could you tell me how one of these is actually created?
I think that was the main point of the diving amnesty,to record what is out there,rather than taking it from those who have it.
Garry.
Yep, so no one got into trouble and probably some vital items were seen and recorded, which was very important to do.
If an amnesty was declared to hand info and items over surely it couldn’t be has bad as handing in knives and handguns!
Startling revelations came from the diving amnesty and alot of the time the items were recorded and handed back.
Things have changed now over the past twenty years and I would love to be able to find the items taken from the Typhoon so I can record and photo them to try and make the best complete report possible. Not to point finger and shake my head at them, things were different then.
I know with the B17 on the cheviot that various pieces have been dragged away to be dumped lower down due to people changing there minds.
My only concern for items to be taken is that the historical info is lost unless the person makes the effort to log where it has come from and tags the piece.
G’day all,
I am trying to restore an old Allison V1710-115 to static standard for a museum in Queensland, Australia. I was wondering if anybody out there might have parts or overhaul/repair manuals that I could purchase or borrow? It is a mighty endeavour to undertake and there is a certain paucity of stuff in my corner of the world. If I had the faintest idea how to post pix on this site I would, ‘cos she’s a real beauty and I am hopelessly proud of her. I know the old Allison v Merlin performance argument has been played out many times, and the Merlin was turbocharged and better at altitude blah blah blah, but no-one ever seems to mention that the Allison is far and away the better looking of the two. Must stop ranting now or my partner will ban me from the internet again… Thanks in advance if you are able to help.
Go on try and put some pics up of it, are group tried last year to get an Allison out of a bog but the digger couldnt quite reach it. it should be in good nick if it does come out. im interested to see what it would look like! 🙂
Im entering the world of Cockpits and flight sims for the first time.
Ive just recently taken over an ATC project of a F16 cockpit flight sim, plenty of work still to do including skinning the cockpit and creating the instrument panel.
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yer where does everyone go when it comes to cleaning!
great pics and effort! 🙂
The weekend show was good, lets hope it can be a yearly thing!
Its great to see so much activity im sure it will get even more people interested to help out.
I havent been down enough, life has chucked things at me taking up my sunday’s but i hope to try and help out abit more.
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Maybe the nearest wreckology group should kick up a fuss and get the Government embarrassed into doing something!
That Fw190 looks in great shape for what its been through.
regarding unrecovered pilots, the government needs to setup a department with some funding to at least start to look into the possibility of recovering pilots.
Use some of that national lottery money that seems to be always flying around.