Yes, it has some advantage, but it´s an active sensor and its a bigger dissadvantage, you will be a Xmast tree in the sky and you need to be emitting all time for to listen some, it is crazy decition. I read time ago they wanted change this system on future, they do not told why, but it is obvious of course.

Radar MAWS use antennas which aren’t powerful and have short range so detecting it by enemy fighter which isn’t close isn’t realistic. Reason why you want ot replace them with IR sensors is SA.

First Aesa radar was introduced on a F-15, after on a F-22.

F-22 was not the first stealth american aircraft. They had many experience before with the F-117. its weapons bay…we could see YF-22 firing from its internal bay, and on this current day we do not have any normal video with Su-57 on same way after many years…it seems need more time yet, or it is a problems with new missiles or i do not know, but all is very strange, and the first thing Su-57 need more time yet.

F-22 was a mature airplane from its birth, with its definitive engines. So when first F-22 joined US airforce it was widely superior to the F-15. IMo i can not tell same with Su-57 comparing with the Su-35. Not in this current stage.

WTF?!?

APG-63(v)2 is Raytheon product it doesn’t have nothing with APG-77 which is NG production! So you can’t use one radar as proof of maturity of another. BTW APG-63(v)2 was so “good” they only install it in dozen F-15 and I think they need to add ballast to compensate noticeable heavier weight or APG-63(v)2 compared to radar it replace.

YF-22 did fire ungided AIM-120 from weapon bay but that is same as what Russians doing with Su-47 weapon bay testbed. They use Su-47 for wepoan ejecting tests for quite awhile.

Su-57 did missile firing if you forgot:
https://cdn.almasdarnews.com/wp-cont…ed-file-23.jpg

Just because Russians don’t have need to show all missile tests doesn’t mean it can’t do it.

And F-22 wasn’t no where near mature plane when it enter service, you forgot losing GPS over Pacific when they were very lucky to seen tanker which they used so they follow it to base?

So stop with mature spin (neither F-22 nor F-35 were no where near mature planes when they became operational, F-35A still have problem with gun for example!).

You can argue is Su-57 agile as Su-35 with similar engines but saying they are similar in most characteristics is nonsense.

Su-57 without RAM is 10times smaller target then Su-35 with RAM.

https://vz.ru/society/2018/7/6/931118.html

Here the article where i read time ago. And yes, you have reason was not Borisov who told it, it was said by others.

So I am not obtuse and i am not lying intentionally, in fact you can read the article where i read that, so if next time you do not show any respect do not wait i will not have any respect about you. Capicci?

It isn’t about stealth, sensors or even weapon systems it is about flight characteristics of Su-35 and Su-57. Of course they are similar because Su-35 is pinnacle of Flanker family it is very hard to beat it, so Su-57 need better engine to have noticeable difference especially in supersonic regime.

But if we look combat capablity they are different worlds. Fully armed Su-57 have at least one magnitude smaller RCS then non armed Su-35, if you read Chinese study its RCS is two or even three magnitude smaller. Sensors same story.

So if they really can get Su-57 for 2.2billion rubles that is steal even with 117 engine!

From some reason I can’t edit my post, interesting EOTS close up video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJDTdn-s4c4 Still naked metal but less, I wonder did they replace other metal parts with composite or just use some RAM coatings?

[USER=”77048″]St. John[/USER]

What you posted is MiG-31 IRST. I posted MiG-25 IRST which is faceted, same or similar to MiG-23 IRST:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1b44593d8306b2c4fbcba8995496d312

[USER=”77826″]XB-70[/USER]

I wrote about OLS, and I did wrote RCS benefit of faceted glass exist but it is smallish, what is problem is optical mechanism so in discrete mode I would prefer not to have it exposed as Russians did with Su-57. Something like that would be lot harder to be done with faceted OLS.

@mig-31bm

https://youtu.be/hvgyiFCoG0U?t=1063

Look what is on presentation slide, 20.00 they have targets on radar screen, then 20.30 they have four targets on screen. And if you check in newspaper article:

Komandir odeljenja OASt vodnik I klase Ljubenković izveštava da ponovo nema kvalitetne odraze na daljinama manjim od 60 do 70 km i traži dozvolu da bude van pripravnosti, radi dodatnog podešavanja. Ne dozvoljavam mu, smatrajući da nemamo dovoljno vremena za to. Oko 20.15 časova naređujem da se četiri rakete stave na pripremu 1. I dalje na pokazivaču nemam odraze nijednog aviona koji je bliži od 60 km. Ljubenković ponavlja zahtev da mu dozvolim da bude van pripravnosti kako bi izvršio podešavanje prijemnika. Odobravam mu ali samo 10 minuta. Oko 20.30 časova dobijam radarsku sliku na mom pokazivaču. Možda čak i koji minut ranije. Odrazi ciljeva su bili veliki, ali nisu bili uobičajenog intenziteta već bledunjavi – anemični. Pojavilo se četiri do pet odraza na daljinama oko 25 km.

In 20.00 they have targets but they are far away (60-70km) and siganture of targets isn’t good, then in 20.15 because all targets are more then 60km away they turn off radar, then around 20.30 they activate P-18 again and four or five targets with big but strange signature (anemic as Dani said) they are ~25km away.

https://www.kurir.rs/vesti/drustvo/3027553/zoltan-dani-ekskluzivno-o-prisvajanju-zasluga-za-f-117-moj-zamenik-je-vikao-gasi-radar-rekao-sam-mu-ti-da-cutis-ja-komandujem-da-su-ga-poslusali-stelt-nikada-ne-bi-bio-oboren

@RALL

Conclusion of study have written error (they forgot -) check value in tables, it is -8.021 and -8.003 not 8.021 and 8.003.

@RALL

http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S2175-91462016000100040

Su-57 model achieved -40dBsm (which is 0.0001m2 if I am correct):

On the one hand, the RCS value of the model in specific direction can be as low as −40 dBsm

So if Russians really want to make Su-57 as stealthy as F-22/35 they could, question is do they want it. Indians if want stealth level would need to pay for it, problem is India can’t afford all programs they started and they are quite sure Super 30 and Rafale AESA are more then enough to deal with J-20 and possible J-31.

@mig-31bm

I really don’t want to spam thread with F-117 but you probable don’t understand Serbian so you miss important things in presentation. For example in presentation you can see at 20.00 they have targets on radar which if you check newpaper article were 60-70km from P-18 and there were faint signatures (stealths).