F-111buff26does albania still have the F-6’s?or North korea?
F-111buff26Jonesy, does that open the possibility of a deal between china and russia involving varyag and gorshkov?
F-111buff26I think we could all be missing the point here? China offers more money for carrier conversion, wrong foots its old foe India, some short sighted Russians agree to the deal for the more money incentive.
India now left with not many options for new carriers, and when the ex-Gorshkov is delivered it is immediately poured over by Chinese engineers to establish the extent of the modifications, ex Kiev and ex Minsk are quickliy put into ship yards and modified accordingly, providing them with 3 carriers of the same design and modifications, and the experience gained in chinese carrier building may help ex Varyag get modernised? or is the ex varyag the mis direction? everyone concerned about that they ignore the other possibilities?
3 carriers and a training wing would make use of the sizeable Chinese Su33 order.
Possible? love to here your ideas
F-111buff26That probably accounted in the selection of the planes, but then why open a competition if you want the same plane than your ally, just buy the same plane than your ally.
It was a competition between EF and Gripen.
France isn’t the puppet of any country. You are supposed to always stick up for your allies if your ally is at risk. When your ally makes a stupid decision to go get stuck in a needless war that they can’t win, and you advise them not to, but they go anyway… too bad for them. Being an ally doesn’t mean being stupid.
If we are going to talk about needless wars then the americans should ask for some french advise on what they did in africa with there former colonies. and are you trying to imply that the rest of NATO are puppets? could it be such french arrogance that prevents Rafale gaining export sales?
Besides if you take this as an argument, then the purchase of a US plane is an absolute no-go, since the US are much more restrictive than the french as to what can be done with their planes.[COLOR=”Red”]so if this is the case, how does turkey get away with air attacks on kurds, israel on who ever they think neccessary? being an ally is like family, through thick and thin, not just the good guys. France pulling out of NATO was like taking the bat and ball home because people don’t do what you want.[/COLOR]
Then I suppose they paid the austrian air force chief because they had too much money and didn’t know what to do with it. 😀
[I]No bribery was ever proven[/I]Nic
all I was trying to do was look at the scenario’s from the buyers point of view, instead of moaning and groaning because I’m a fan boy. when the french plane is best it will win. look at the mirage it was built and bought in such high numbers becauseit was the best. obviously to many countries rafale just isn’t good enough- it could even just be the lack of western weapons integration. saying you will do it if rafale is bought is not the same as saying that the planes are built with that integration already.
F-111buff26No offense, but why can you not accept the possibility that Rafale lost because it wasn’t the best fit for the customer????
South Korea….. should war come, would not a Korean F-15 be beneficial……US can service and arm Korean jets and vice versa! one less chain of spare parts to have……
Same with Singapore……..
Austria chose Typhoon because Germany has them, and the good favour by buying typhoon(even just the ‘we have the same stuff’) with britain, spain, germany and italy(and possibly switzerland and saudi and greece) far out weighs the gain of buy rafale……
Saudi as a follow up to the Al-thingamagiggy deals
dont get me wrong, but France has a bad history of doing what it needs for itself and leaving allies to flap in the wind(ie NATO withdrawl)-could that be part of the customers thought process as well?
Dont get me wrong, Rafale looks beautiful, and does a great job, and would possibly do a great job in Brazil, but to suggest that the bribing of the austrian air force chief was what sealed the deal is laughable considering the selection process and review to maintain there neutrality would surely catch anysuch favourtism and the saudi deal was sorted back in the 80s-90s me thinks!
Just some unbiased thoughts about the process- would love the same
PS Im not pro Rafale or Typhoon…… I still think the F-111 would blast past and leave them no place to land!
F-111buff26well, when our next pilots graduate, RAAF tactical command should send them to the likes of star49 and Mig23MLD and george J. considering there expert information from working at the top ranks of various airforces, how can we consider anyone else for our tactical briefings? get a grip! how many of you serve in an air force? I’ve been to briefings as an ADGie and seen men with 15-20 years knowledge stuff up small details in a briefing- are you 100% percent correct with what you say all the time? Mig23MLD-you wrote a sentence about a war between romania and paraguay- i find that worse than saying a russian originating fighter has an engine from a russian company- its just generalisation, like a indian saying all american fighters are powered by pratt & whitney. what matters is what was refferred to in the video by him- thats what we are discussing – not the Su-35BN which will likely never see production in favour of PAK-FA. :rolleyes:
F-111buff26what sort of time and money required to bring these aircraft to as-new? more than a new build?
F-111buff26apologies, but did all of NATO do that or just certain countries? what i was trying to get at was the seriousness of it to australia. didnot mean to insault anyone!:o:(:)
F-111buff26The reason for that is Australia is hitching its wagon on China.
Maybe you should ask yourself how much you know about your economy. You do have after all, debt more than half your GDP.
what, a website refferring to a report from 2006, from an anti government news source?
Get real
F-111buff26The reason for that is Australia is hitching its wagon on China.
Maybe you should ask yourself how much you know about your economy. You do have after all, debt more than half your GDP.
what, a website refferring to a report from 2006, from an anti government news source?
Get real
F-111buff26People are so quick to write off the US-AUSTRALIAN alliance. we were the first to help the US hit back at the Japanese, the RAN even sacrificed the only cruiser we had left(HMAS Canberra) to ensure an amphibious assault at Savo Island succeeded. when other countries refused to help (vietnam, Iraq) Australia was there to do what we can.as a serving ADGie, andhaving met American members of various STS units, they all credit us with being some of the best soldiers they have ever met.they also agree that whatever the situation, America would return the favour of our alliance. Some even said they would leave the USAF and come here to volunteer. when september 11 occurred, Australia Declared WAR by enacting the ANZUS treaty. we are still at war with Al-Qaida. how many other allies did that? every time the S*%# hits the fan, australia responds. during world war 2 our air force grew to 216,100 people- our navy was the 5th largest in the world and the army had a total of 724,000 members. Our history is the fight to prove our selves. we are a prison colony that turned into the jewel of the empires crown, and is the envy of the british commonwealth. it doesnt matter if we won or lost the first few days, because massive reinforcements would arrive!
F-111buff26der…..
your pretty pictures dazzle me….
those pretty carriers would find the bottom of the ocean if an attack on australia……, canberra class LHD’s with F-35B would be more than a match for these carriers anyway, if our subs didn’t make the Belgranolook like a small tragedy
why would they use ballistic missles on us? thats the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard……
If threats like this were aligned against Australia, F-22 would be provided, as would a couple of carrier battle groups.
F-111buff26Australia is not a super air force, it is a worst position than Canada and in fact it won`t be able to stand a first class air force like China or Russia.
If the Chinese would get a force of two or three aircraft carriers they will control Australia in a matter of days.
however to invade australia is not so easy you need a good carrier based air force or a first class strategic air force with Tu-22Ms, B-1Bs or Tu-160s, something few air forces have.
So for the moment Australia does not need its own aircraft industry in the class of Canada or Israel, but definitively they are not one of the top air forcesBut as far as equipment and training australia is not one of the best i would rate Saudi arabia or Iran as in the same class of Australia.
The Su-30s of neighbouring air forces are not really a threat as a force of Tu-22M or a Chinese carrier can be.
you really have no idea about the ADF or its capabilities. If 1 squadron didn’t destroy your ‘chinese carriers’, then our collins class subs would(they proven successful at sinking USN carriers in excercise) still leaving us with 12 major surface combatants, 3 fighter bomber squadrons, 2 maritime patrol/attack squadrons. oh and if troops were landed on our shores, it would be the bloodiest battle in history. Look at our capabilities when NOT fighting on home soil- read about the Boer War, WW1, WW2, Korea, Malaya, Vietnam, Afganistan, Iraq- Australians always punch above there weight- read about ANZAC Cove, the ANZAC corp of the western front, Tobruk, Kokoda, Timor, 3 RAR in Korea, 6RAR D coy holding of 2500 VCand NVA at Long Tan. Even the USMC General Mattis stated’ Marines would happily storm hell if your troops had our right flank’
Your nievety about the real world is touching, you are probably post some pretty pictures to defend yourself, BUT THE WORST THING ANYONE COULD DO IS UNDERESTIMATE THE ADF
F-111buff26ur in worse position than US. US has world reserve currency so it can print its way out of it. And what is definition of recession? Contraction of GDP. since currency has fallen 40% so ur GDP has declined 40% in US dollar terms. which exceeds ur 0.3% GDP growth rate. This happens on economy too much depended on Iron and coke production.
Price of gas/food/electronics/cars and all living standards depends on currency.
http://www.fuelwatch.wa.gov.au/index.cfm?pref=country&date=Today
We have ****** all nation debt, we have a future fund for the nation full of money, and more employment will be created in the export industries of Mining, Farming, Vehicle manufacture, LNG shipping to china……. because the dollar is cheaper for people to buy. unlike america, consumer confidence has come back with the news of interest rate cuts.
F-111buff26ur in worse position than US. US has world reserve currency so it can print its way out of it. And what is definition of recession? Contraction of GDP. since currency has fallen 40% so ur GDP has declined 40% in US dollar terms. which exceeds ur 0.3% GDP growth rate. This happens on economy too much depended on Iron and coke production.
Price of gas/food/electronics/cars and all living standards depends on currency.
http://www.fuelwatch.wa.gov.au/index.cfm?pref=country&date=Today
We have ****** all nation debt, we have a future fund for the nation full of money, and more employment will be created in the export industries of Mining, Farming, Vehicle manufacture, LNG shipping to china……. because the dollar is cheaper for people to buy. unlike america, consumer confidence has come back with the news of interest rate cuts.
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