F-111buff26Do you realize, that you try to start something like a ” My fighter is better than your fighter” in the very thread which criticize such comparisons??? :rolleyes: Ship 741 gave just an example!!
I have the feeling that even this thread will degenerate soon and become a fanboy fight. 🙁 To the fanboys: Please go to play in another thread!
hit the nail on the head!
F-111buff26Its sad that even after you have stated that it is your opinion, your continued to be told your wrong and present facts to back it up….ok, but its still my opinion! and there are some people that just dont get it, like the one who keeps posting pictures in every thread to support his views, and the ones who think your an idiot if you refuse to condemn the iraq and afghan wars!
F-111buff26would it be possible to send ‘EMP’ radiation along a beam to the missle, or could it be limited to a pulse that would be 500 metres wide?
F-111buff26All the pretty pictures in the world dont change facts, its nice to have the best equipment and not need it then to need it and not have it. But surprise, the best weaponry, civilian support are not must haves for victory. By your thinking America needed the support of afghanistan to bomb afghanistan when clearly they had all the support at homedespite the disadvantages, I’d still put The RAAF’s F/A-18A/B (Upgraded) against swarms of Su-30’s……. why?
Training and Espirit de Corp, and truly defending your country is worth a couple of extra squadrons up there!!!!!
F-111buff26I dont know about before 74, but after the S-3 Viking was introduced wasn’t that its role? ‘VS’ standing for “sea control’
and dont ever be surprised about the A-4, top little aircraft, they were the RAN’s only jet powered carrier capable aircraft of air to air or anti ship attack……. the little plane that could!
F-111buff26let me quote from the Israeli F-35 sale notice (http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2008/Israel_08-83.pdf):
sound familiar?
Sens was saying the F-35 was too expensive, because wow! just look at the Israel deal, $203 million/plane!
yet if we look at a plane that is universally acknowledged to be cheap, it has practically the SAME price when part of a similarly structured deal
the take-home point is that the F-35 is not significantly more expensive than other 4th gen fighters (and is in fact cheaper than many)
so all this whining about how expensive the F-35 is, is just BS
Your faith in LM keeping to that price is touching. look at EADS, making threats over A400M’s already established cost not being able to rise. until full scale production is started fro F-35, all your theories are just that theories. we have a hard price for F-18, F-16, F-22, F-15 because they are in full scale production or have been. and I could be wrong it could be cheaper. but there are no hard facts yet. lets examine the benefits, if any, of having F-35 based on capabilities……thats the one criteria they wont miss….. prices change as they need to!!!!!
F-111buff26because in 1982 the argentinians wern’t using the subs as there primary resource….. if so one wouldn’t have been in refit! and instead of coming in to the vulnerable harbour, UNREP should have been done…..(on the one damaged by the RN helicopter HUMPHREY) the british fleet was almost overwhelmed by air attack, flood the fleet with 3-4 submarine contacts and maybe enough confusion would rein to sink a carrier or 2, or knock out enough escorts so the second attempt would succeed….. and we aren’t taking account of Mount Pleasant…. argentine air attacks in 82 were limited by range and payload, not so if their first move was to seize the airfield…. almost 80% chance britain would lose
F-111buff26To win a repeat of the Falklands, Argentina would need to neutralise the Aircraft carrier of a retrieval task force. and since they dont have the airpower to do that, whats to stop them equiping 3 or 4 subs? a couple of fish into a carrier would send it reeling!
F-111buff26[QUOTE=MiG-23MLD;1308140]No i am not biased, i will give you some examples
In my family we have canadians, americans, Polish, Russians, Japanese, Chinese, Spanish, African americans, Chileans, Costaricans, Venezuelans, native americans, i have personally French, Lebanese, Vasque and Indian Blood So do you think we are not used to be more tolerant?
I can tell you we are homogeneous and we are not looking to make wars.
Mexico my country has only civil aircraft industry and our air force is more of a guard cost than an imperialistic arm.
You have seem to have missed the whole point, air wars not invasion occupation and assimilation. argentina is moving towards having another crack the Falklands, and if Chile was to assist the UK an air war could erupt. proding between brazil and venezuela by russia and america could see a short but sharp air war. what about another skirmish between peru and equador?
Latin America is not the peaceful fairytale wonderland you make it out to be
PS.its taken my family 250 years and $500 dollars worth of investigation to find our family to have Welsh, Australian, South African, Rhodesian, Ukrainian, Russian and English blood in my family………
for you to have 16 different bloodlines and heritage must have cost lots too discover and hard work on behalf of your ancestors?
F-111buff26You are not entitled to defend any general rights of people..
– Regarding Grenada, US friendly governent was restored in the first place, let us not mix the terms.
– as for Afghanistan, I have not seen credible evidence about any Afghans having participated anyhow in the *biggest attack on the western way of life*.. There were Egyptians, Moroccans, Saudis involved.. but not Afghans.. There only are claims of US govt about Afghan involvement, frankly, I believe them exactly as much as I believed their fairytales about WMDs in Iraq.
– You act as if you could not stand Serbian ethnic cleansing but a much larger ethnic cleansing in Rwanda or Sudan does not disturb you. Who decides about what Rwanda can do and Serbia can not? You? Who gave you that right?
– Yes, I don’t like Noriega having Panama canal in his hands.. At the same time I don’t like Bush having Grand Canyon in his hands. What about removing him by force, too? Who gave you the right to decide who can own or control the resources just because you find them important?
– Hussein was a convicted war criminal? When did that happen? What kind of independent court made that decision?
BTW, at the time the US went for the invasion to Iraq, they spoke no word about the reason being war crimes, they spoke about WMDs. My memory is everything but short.
No afgans were involved….after they had finished training the hijackers and giving carte blanche to alqaida they sat back and let them leave the country.letting your country be used for a vassal by terrorists is as bad ad being a terrorist yourself.
Hussein was convicted by the Iraqi people-thats why he was hung. one cannot interfear in africa without being accused of colonial intentions and racism. but you can be a good global citizen like russia and supply struggling african nations with high tech advanced weaponry. :rolleyes:
F-111buff26Ouch! Ober $1bn, as Swerve says, if far from cheap! It might be better to start afresh, and mount the Nimrod R.1’s gear, plus the Helix systems onto a new airframe. Even if it cost more, it might still be worth it! Even fitting out an Airbus A-330 might be more sensible (with the dual benefits of being new, and also common with the new tankers). When this was proposed originally, it had been mooted as a possible interim option, using existing USAF RC-135s dual-manned (i.e. USAF aircraft, leased by the UK, flown by mixed US/UK crews). This seems to be a completely different proposition, and not necessarily a good one!
It might have been better, in the long run, to cancel the FSTA PFI deal, and instead just buy the A-330 tankers outright, along with half a dozen extras, for the tanker and ISTAR roles. Switch the deal to a fleet support and maintenance deal (e.g. ‘power-by-the-hour’), and just buy the aircraft outright. In the long run, we will need to be replacing the AWACS fleet as well, and it would make a lot of sense to just focus on the A-330 as the basis for these variants.
Great point made here
the FtSA group wouldn’t be too much out of pocket anyway. just another competitor for omega air. Australia thinking of follow up tanker order, RAF orders same time, cut unit price for both, especially if KC-45 is sorted out properly! and tack on a side order for more planes, as RMk1 replacment and then when time to upgrade MRA4, MRA5 could be based on a A330!
F-111buff26and another quick thought, since south american proxy wars were discussed, Brazil Vs Venezuela?
F-111buff26As far as Ive been able to find out in australia RAAF williamtown has 6 fighters on hot pad alert, on 10, 20 and 30 minute alert, and RAAF Tindal has a similar alert force.
F-111buff26Israel can either defend itself or become a footnote. If they want to steal land, build walls, and put settlements where they don’t belong, then they can deal with the aftermath. What a few F-16s is going to do to threaten a nation with hundreds of F-15 and F-16 fighters, though, is beyond me. But if it makes Israel sleep a little less soundly at night, so be it, give Iraq Block 60s.
fairly strong stuff there. the building of settlements is wrong, but the land was promised to Israel and the jews. The palestinians should get over it before the hatred consumes them. do we reallly think getting rid of Israel would solve anything? It is their land! why cant the arab world just come to peace with Israel…it is only 1%of the middle eastern land mass…. oh thats right, Eygpt and Jordan and Turkey have…. but iran and Syria keep stoking the fires…. for there own means!
Anyway F-16’s make great sense for Iraq…..maybe sharing the same type of equipment as Israel, Eygpt, Jordan, Turkey, Bahrain and the UAE have might encourage friendships in the future…mutual respect for each other through joint excercises
F-111buff26Yeah I love your 1 sided view on this – typical flag waver. :rolleyes:
Russia was also defending its people in Georgia in August. BUT NO THEY WERE WRONG RIGHT? BLA BLA BLAAA
And what good has getting rid of Hussein done? None.
Who are the US government people to decide what other countries should do? Are they special? :rolleyes:
Russia was defnding its people? what the soldiers illegally in Georgia? South Ossetia and abkazia are both internationally recognized parts of georgia.(except russia). it was that way before the Soviet Union and it is that way after the Soviet Union. all russia wants is an excuse to get its empire back. And about Hussein, it was very poorly handled at the start and middle, but there has been real progress in Iraq recently, leading to troops being withdrawn, and hopefully a bright future for the Iraqi people
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