I even kept the broken english intact in my replies! LOL.

Maybe one day I can give you some lessons in English language, but this moment however this will have to wait.

I know most of the facts that you mentioned, however you look at a war that affected one way or another the entirely World as if it had been a local war. But even the U.S. and the Soviet Union had been involved in this, and many times even seemed that they were supporting the same side, however in fact both superpowers were not supporting neither side.

Perhaps you have spent long time studying the English language that you did find time to learn this:

“The Injury is the last weapon of the defeated.”

So when someone criticize your proficiency in the English language mention this, after all we are talking about aviation here, although the English language has been slaughtered every day here by us, still the English language will persevere and continue to bring the world together, or separates it at once.

This is a political failure, not a failure by the air force. There is no technical inability or operational failure. It is due to politicians repeatedly deferring a decision.

More than two decades that the Brazil Armed Forces of Brazil has not been receiving appropriate budget for its functions, at this point the problem could be political.

However when the own Commander in Chief from Brazil Air Force speak something like this: as important as operate modern equipment’s should be increasing the lagged salaries from military personnel…

With 80% of the Defense Budget committed to payment of active duty personnel and retirees and yet the salaries are outdated in Brazil?

With this comment I do not think that only politicians are responsible for the situation of obsolescence of the equipment’s from Brazil Armed Forces.

Maybe the F-14As in IRIAF service were far less of an issue than we are led to think?

Sorry but that quote does not answer my question in any way.
What were Saddam’s objectives in that war, in your opinion?

Sorry but how do you want to discuss that something has failed if you don’t even know the goals?

[RIGHT]‘It’s a shame that can not lose both.’[/RIGHT]
[RIGHT]Heinz Alfred Kissinger
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[RIGHT](Kissinger’s comment about the Iran / Iraq War).[/RIGHT]

Perhaps the biggest problem about analyzing the Iran / Iraq War would be not fall into the trap of believing that this war was conducted by radical governments that had used this as a way to maintain control over their nations claiming territorial or religious reasons.

After all it is not uncommon to find historical descriptions that wars were only required in order to distract people’s attention on the problems of the country, perhaps as a more recent example could be cited of Falkland’s / Malvinas War in 1982.

However every one has opinions, even if this is not clever. But as I was asked about this issue there is my humble opinion about this:

With the Iran revolution in 1979, several countries of the region Gulf, many such monarchical regime had been seen the Iran revolution as a potential threat against their regimes.

The biggest threat to these nations would come from the immense oil resources of Iran that could be used as a source of funds to finance and support revolutions in those countries.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/iran_oilfield_1978.jpg

Picture above:during the World War II it became clear that oil was essential to the war effort, and without which the war would be lost. Thus when starting the Cold War, both the U.S. and the Soviet Union had been tried to ensure the sources of this resource, as well trying to deny the other side such essential resource.

Thus the Iraq with new government from Saddam Hussein had predicted that could obtain both economic and political support of those nations to take action against the Iran, and to keep the occupied territories that would take with the invasion.

Without its oil resources the Iran revolutionary government would not be able to expand its revolution to other countries of the Gulf, if it had this purpose.

Iraq had started the war against the Iran to occupy the major oil fields from that country, that was the initial goal of the Iraq, however as the Iraq intended to keep these in the medium and long term it might be the most important issue to answer.

Iraq had plans to obtain an advanced program of chemical weapons, as well as the main program would be gain the ability to build nuclear weapons, which would thus all conditions Iraq could keep the occupied territories from Iran indefinitely in view of Iraq.

The nuclear weapons programs could given to Iraq the military supremacy over the Iran in long term as Israel had obtained with nuclear weapons to secure their territories, despite that were useless in 1973 to avoid the Yom Kippur War once the Soviet Union supported the other side.

With the revolutionary government of Iran should be isolated from its main economic resource that was the oil, both the occupation of the oil fields as well as the attacks on maritime oil terminals, could easily paralyze Iran’s economy as well as its armed forces, which in fact could cripple any attempts to retake in the territories occupied by Iraq.

Without producing or refining the oil since its refineries facilities as well as the terminals that could bring fuel to Iran would be under constant attack from Iraq Air Force, Iran would not be able to mobilize military forces to repel the invasion and occupation, and would be able to just launch guerrillas attacks against the Iraqi Army in the territory occupied by it.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-photos-multimedia/124824-islamic-republic-iran-airforce-naval-army-aviation-picture-thread.html[/CENTER]
Picture above: in the ground in the first view an AH 1T Cobra equipped with rocket launchers, and beside this another AH 1T Cobra equipped with missiles launchers from ATGW TOW, both being overflown by a Bell 214 helicopter transport. The helicopter transport from Iran had an essential function at the beginning of the War

Saddam had at least a effective strategy to win the against Iran, and the main goal of success for the strategy would be the elimination in the early days of the war of the Iran Air Force, or at least the to establish the air superiority over the Iran Air Force.

Due to the power of the Iran Air Force before the revolution in 1979, this would be in the event of an invasion the first to counter attack, and this would at its responsibility the protection of high-priority targets such as those for the production and refining from oil, since without fuel throughout the country would collapse as well as the regularly Iran Armed Forces (Army, Navy, Air Force) or the new revolutionary forces.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-photos-multimedia/124824-islamic-republic-iran-airforce-naval-army-aviation-picture-thread.html

Picture above: such demonstration of the capabilities from Iran Air Force a KC 707 refuels an F 5E/F Tiger II in the first view, in the center using a tail-mounted refueling boom for F 4E Phantom II while an F 14A Tomcat using the other probe/drogue had demonstrated the capabilities from the Iran Air Force.

As the Armed Forces from Iran were in a chaotic situation due to revolution, especially Iran Air Force, Iraq had launched the main offensive on 22 September from 1980.

However the heavy counter attack on 23 September and the others that followed by Iran Air Force against the Iraq had showed that Air Force was not demobilized as predicted in the early war plans from Iraq.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_iraq_war

Picture above:a formation of F 4E Phantom II from Iran Air Force. This type had formed the backbone of the Air Force of Iran, both in air defense and attack missions as tactical and strategic. The F 4D/E Phantom II had been conducted many missions of tactical and strategic attack against Iraq using AGM 65A Maverick missiles and laser-guided bombs LGB Paveway.

This almost unbelievable Intelligence failure about the situation assessment from Iran Air Force , on which Iraq allegedly had received it from at least an important ally.

Whose detailed reports that mention about the Iran Air Force it would be practically out of combat, even the Soviet Union believed those reports, since it maintained its contingent near future air combat zone. The Soviets had received a proof in early 80’s about the saying capitalist: there is no free lunch.

Although this “miscalculation” from intelligence reports from an important ally, Iraq had started the land invasion from Iran, despite Iraq did not establish air superiority, and even made this invasion under heavy attacks from Iran Air Force and from attack helicopters of the Iran Army . Those attacks from Iran Air Force and the Iran Army had saved time for the deployment of land forces to counter the Iraq invasion, which kept the offensive from Iraq despite only after the Iraq had penetrated deep in the Iran territory.

Despite Iraq had penetrated deep in Iran territory, it was keep far from the range of Iraq forces the main oil fields from Iran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_iraq_war

Picture above: almost eight years of this war were both sides practically at a standstill, in which both sides hadn’t been secured the conditions to ensure a victory, however both sides had enormous human and material losses, and more than a million people were killed the conflict.

As Iraq had not been able to stop the production and refining of oil from Iran, or even the fuel import for Iran through the maritime terminals from Persian Gulf, Iran was able to perform a counter attack with ground forces since for this should be indispensable items as fuel, and even by Air Force as Iran Navy, and were able to release the occupied territories by Iraq in the beginning of the War.

Once Iraq had not achieved the expected objectives, Saddam began to seek a ceasefire around 1981, which were not accepted by Iran. In this case there could be several hypotheses, but among those that the ceasefire would be used by Iraq to buy time, and thus this time could modernize and expand its armed forces that had been funded by their allies for a new offensive in the future, while the revolutionary government from Iran would be isolated from main powerful countries.

In the side of the Iran there were assumptions that Iran had been interested to continue the war because seemed the opportunity of victory, in view of the revolutionary government of Iran, that could ended in favor to Iran, and with this ‘to free’ the Shia population from Iraq, which made up the majority of the population of the same, and by ‘coincidence’ large parts of the oil fields from Iraq.

The prevailing sense were that for the U.S. and others West countries had been strong supported Iraq to win the war against Iran, but the occupation of the oil fields from Iran by Iraq military forces and Iran’s military collapse as consequence, must certainly would not be the U.S. interest.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-photos-multimedia/124824-islamic-republic-iran-airforce-naval-army-aviation-picture-thread.html

Picture above:despite all the controversy about how Iran had been managed to maintain its highly complex equipment with U.S. origin, as the F 14A Tomcat equipped with AIM 54A Phoenix missiles in the image above, however in 1986 it was revealed through scandal Iran-gates that U.S. supplied weapons and equipment clandestinely to Iran during the war.

This event could lead the revolutionary government from Iran to approach the Soviet Union through any offer of military aid to regain the territories occupied by Iraq, or even lead to another revolution in Iran in this case pro-Soviet Union, since the rejection of the people of Iran to the U.S. and others West countries were very high, and increased further with the War with Iraq.

For U.S. high priority should be keep the Soviet Union as far as possible from the Persian Gulf and the nations that comprised this region, for which the flow of oil that much depended must of the West economies.

In that case of Iran or even Iraq could became satellites from Soviet Union, this event would lead to major instability in the Persian Gulf ,once the Soviet Union had no interest in producing oil and much less to the U.S. and its allies.

With this hypothetical breakdown about the production of oil from the Persian Gulf most of nations pro-US could be highly affected, and with West economic could stall because the high prices of the oil or even the lack of this resource, in this circumstances even China could came back for the Soviet Union side.

In this case the Cold War could end in the early 80’s, however in these circumstances would be the Soviet Union that would celebrate the victory.

From: Chinese Air Thread 12
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?125099-Chinese-Air-Power-Thread-17&p=2061791#post2061791

AVIC are developing a number of new helicopter concepts, with them stated on their website (anyone who follows PLA developments know how rare such examples of openness occur):

There’s the “blue whale” a 20 ton payload, quad tilt rotor that is very similar to the now suspended bell boeing QTR. 800 km combat radii, 8000 km range, and a max speed of 538 km/h. Should be a good Mi-26 replacement, and a supplement to the Y-9.

I do not remember that the Soviet Union or Russia after the end of the Cold War has been displayed a project about tilt rotors aircraft’s as V 22 Osprey, or even that they had researched the concept.

However this seems to at least China is doing ‘toys’ about it, though China is not known for making toys just for fun.

The USAF’s fixed-wing aircraft, including F-15E, F-16C/D, A-10A, are fitted only for boom/receptacle refueling, while this MV-22 kit is for probe/drogue refueling only.

They are two completely different and incompatible systems, with very different hardware.

This explains the difference: Air Force Aerial Refueling Methods: Flying Boom versus Hose-and-Drogue

The MV 22 Osprey program had been launched in the 80’s in order to meet different requirements from: USMC, U.S. Army, USAF and U.S. Navy.

At that time one of the emphases with MV 22 Osprey program were to standardize whenever possible equipment’s of those forces in order to cut costs and increase operational interaction between all those forces( US Army, US Navy, USAF and USMC).

In this sense about the MV 22, the future problems had been the lack of standardization in systems of air-air refueling, since the boom/receptacle system adopted by the aviation Tactical Command ( F 15E, F 16A/B/C/D and A 10) from USAF did not allow the integration of the system probe/rogue of the air tankers(KC 130 and KA 6) from U.S. Navy and USMC.

As the proposed MV 22 Osprey should be temporary conversion using modular systems probe/drogue for air-air refueling, the standardization system could be implemented by Tactical Command from USAF in reason could share this fleet MV 22 Osprey with others (U.S. Army, U.S. Navy and USMC).

While part of the fleet of KC 135 and KC 10 were equipped with two systems( boom/receptacle and probe/drogue) to meet the standards form U.S. Navy and USMC, the USAF with boom/receptacle system force could not be air refueled by the U.S. Navy and USMC air tankers.

In the 80’s the MV 22 had represented the concept that would revolutionize aviation, and because of this thought many ideas were developed due to own Cold War.

In summary, the boom/receptacle system was the best for USAF to refueling large aircraft’s(B 52, U 2, SR 71, E 3 Sentry, C 5 Galaxy as an example) with the bombers at the beginning due at the difficulty of making a large aircraft maneuvering to fit in drogue from air tanker in high altitude.

The Tactical Command from USAF has been using the system since it was available at the beginning with the Strategic Command, and kept it until today as standard.

Because of the future introduction of the MV 22 Osprey during 80’s had as idea to add or convert the fighters-bombers from USAF Tactical Command with probe/drogue system, with the aim of standardizing the same with the other forces.

As none of this actually happened, and even the MV 22 Osprey program were repeatedly threatened by cancellation, besides loss of interest of other forces (U.S. Army, USAF and U.S. Navy) by MV 22 Osprey, all possibilities has been forgotten.

For those interested in making researches in libraries, you may could find many other ideas on the application of MV 22 Osprey that are not mentioned today, even if the concepts are still valid today.

Strange new world in which we are, once more radical ideas are in dusty shelves of libraries with lucky.

Well i know a brazilian pilot that love F18, but way less then another plane…

In the current situation from Brazil Air Force I assume that almost all pilots would fall in love with any new aircraft that pass in front of them.:love-struck:

Radio wave is the same no matter what band, so why would L band be better for detecting so called stealth? :confused:

Although equal are also different …
If you want to have fun on this follows below some links on this topic:

http://www.ausairpower.net/index.html

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-Low-Band-Radars.html

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2011-03.html

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2009-06.html

Replacement of the engines? Along with new avionics & rebuilding of the airframes, you’re talking about building a new aircraft which looks like an F-5E. By the time you get to that point you’d be better off buying real new aircraft. It’d probably cost about the same, & the development is already paid for.

The cost greatly depend about the availability of all of those items as the engines and avionics on the market, since if these items are already on the shelf this could be much lower cost than purchasing a new and sophisticated fighter in the current case on Brazil as: F/A 18 E/F, Rafale and Grippen NG.

Although a competition has been held for more than ten years however for which there is no provision in the budget for next year, and almost certainly if it resources appear in the early days of the next year that will be cut off until the middle of the year. Since the defense program in Brazil has been discharged because there are not essential for the country as the Government of Brazil has been saying for decades.

There are some advantages about the improvement of a legacy fighters because that could be accomplished gradually, or some aircraft depending on the budget per year, and hold it when its fighters would undergo a general overhaul.The acquisition of new fighters, much depends on the conditions of funding for the purchase of the same.

It’s not the idea to compare a fighter modernized from 3rd generation with current fighters in production from 4rd Generation or 5rd generation, however if these are not available because of budgetary constraints, would be more appropriate to analyze possibilities to improve what they have today .