There aren’t much to go after. My 2cent, even VKS was not happy with the AESA. I couldn’t reach requirements.. What else could it be?
So it was back to R&D for the manufacturer of radar.Edit:
Ofcourse it could also be a funding issue.
We know Russia is working on a MKI and Su-34 upgrade including radars, also there is the continues work on PakFa radar. So much to do, so limited time and funding..
What AESA radars will Russia prioritize? something tells me not on a limited production of Mig fighters.
Both Russia and other countries has not been opted for PESA radars with fixed antennas for the Su 30M, since the PESA version with fixed antenna of the N001VE / VEP radars for the Su 30MKK as well as the modernized version of the N001 for Su 27SM were not selected by any country, while the PESA version with gimbals support antenna of the N011M radars has been selected by several countries for the Su 30SM and Su 30MK/I/A/M.
Perhaps the reason for this should be the cost / benefit ratio has been adopted by Russia and other countries for PESA radar of the multirole fighters Su-30M, since this has been demonstrated that the better capabilities of a fixed-antenna PESA radar did not justify the greater complexities and costs about the legacy models of the N001 models with simple Casssengrain antennas. Otherwise the PESA with movable or gimbals antennas of the N011M Bars has been chosen for the more for the Su-30MK/I/M/A and Su-30SM instead of the version with slotted planar array of the N011.
The Su-34 has been equipped with fixed PESA antenna of the radar B004, but the Su-34 are not a multiroles fighter , indeed its is an attack aircraft.
The same cost / benefit concept should have been applied about the AESA with fixed antennas and PESA in movable( gimbals) support, although the AESA radars with fixed antennas has been show superior capabilities in several respects such as ECM and maximum range in relation to PESA, however, if PESA radars has been assembled in movable supports, it will cover wider angles for the detection of aircraft in both BVR and even WVR combat, as well as against ground targets in CAS/BAI missions with less complexity and cost than AESA with fixed antennas.
The Zhuk AESA radar with MiG-35 had been show in 2007 it were under development with a fixed antenna in reason of the dimensions and weight of the modules.Otherwise the main reason for the N035 Irbis radar from Su-35S show in 2008 with PESA movable antenna instead the AESA could have been observed in the video below:
With the development of AESA radars with movable antennas the cost/benefit ratio will probably favor this in relation to PESA in Russia like it has been show in the AESA radar with movable antennas from Typhoon:
I have been found out quite interesting the modernization program of the Ka-27M naval helicopter, once it has been received the AESA Kopyo radar, in fact if this is correct these AESA Kopyo radars should be multi-modes, which it would allow the Ka-27M to carry out new missions like AEW in the protection of vessels and to locate and designate shore targets for the artillery and cruise missiles from the vessels.
Actually the rebranded Al Quaeda and their moderate buddies have launched an offensive in Northern Hama province + Them and Aish al islam, a pristine indigenous Jihadi organization another one from Damascus suburb Jobar, add that SAA offensive in E.Aleppo is at a key point and same around Palmyra and you would see both SyAAF than RuAf having their hands quite full a.t.m.
To counter such ongoing offensive rocket pods are a better weapon than bombs, as they can be used both against infantry than light vehicles, even moving, doesn’t require prior determination of targets from outside sources and can be rapidly reloaded once depleted.
Certainly more Su-25 would be the better solution but in a sudden emergencyyou play with asset you have.
About the alternative of using helicopters, russian have them but they near Palmyra so starting from there is out of question, moving them to Hama would take time and would end to leave a even more important sector unguarded.
Jets can instead cover all the open fronts with ease and stay longer on objectives.Certainly as soon as the front would stabilize and SAA start the counter-offensive they would go back to the usual OFAB-250/270 and thermobarics to deal with entrenched troops.
Rocket are a good weapon for some situation i.e. moving targets and area saturation but the ratio between the warhead weight and the total one (pod+ propulsion part9 is not at all convenient. Just one more tool in the large box of russian airborne weaponry.
Interesting commentaries at all, especially about moving targets has been attacked with unguided rockets.
About the Su-25SM, indeed the Su-30SM, Su-34 and Su-35S has been equipped with multi-mode PESA radars, while the Su-25SM does not .
Probably the N011M (Su-30 SM), B004 (Su-34) and N035 (Su-35S) radars has been programing with GMTI modes that allow those to locate and track vehicles used by the insurgents in any weather day and night, as well as these radars can calculate with more precision from mid-altitude the launching of unguided rockets against mobile targets with extremely maneuverable as the vehicle pick ups used by the insurgents.
Otherwise the Su-25SM should have need to locate and lock on its targets with laser telemetry to determine both the range and speed of those vehicles on the ground, in order to obtain such fire solution for the unguided rockets, as well as the Su 24M once the radars of this has not equipped with GMTI modes.
Perhaps the Russians could have been employing such new feature to improve the accuracy of the unguided rockets has been launched by the Su-30SM, Su-34 and Su-35S, in that case this new feature could be the use of the PESA radar to track the course of the unguided rockets.
In fact, such a technique has been already used with cannons from fighters in WVR combat against others aircraft, in this case the Sweden had been developed this technique for the JA-37 Viggen in the 80s and still using today with JAS-39 Gripen, as well as the CIWS against anti- ship missiles.
In the case , the radar from those fighters has been tracking the shells fired from 35mm cannons from JA-37 and 27mm cannons from JAS-39 , and according to the trajectory has been described by the fired projectiles, those fighters automatically could adjusts the bearing in order to increase the accuracy of the shots against the target.
This possible feature with unguided rockets could be that: first unguided rockets are fired by the Su-30SM, Su-34 and Su-35S could have been tracked by the radar, then the deviation between the planned trajectory against the performed trajectory from unguided rocket trajectory could have been calculated for the subsequent rockets , once the deviation will occurs in reasons of the atmospheric conditions and variations in the properties of the solid propellant of the rocket, such as time that has been remained in stock. As the deviation has been calculated by the computer its possible to adjust the fighters bearing automatically for the subsequent rockets that could be fired with more accurately even before of the first unguided rockets hit the ground, and even broadcasting the fire solution by data link for others fighters in the air.
I do not know if this technique with the cannons has been used by the JAS-39 Gripen against ground targets since that JA-37 Viggen were only interceptor fighters, once in that presentation from JAS-39 in the early 2000s for highly experienced US pilots had began to laugh about it, since they thinking it was a joke of the Swedes, and due to the interruption in the presentation to explain that it were not a joke, there were such loss of the trajectory of this presentation, however in the end the North Americans pilots were haunted with this capability in the WVR combat.
Nope, no RFI to France (and not sure there ever was a RFI…)
Agree. This whole story since MMRCA cancellation smells rivalry between Parrikar and Modi.
India is sensed to have specified a single engine for IAF, but Boeing pitched its F-18…
Has India canceled the acquisition of the 36 Rafale F3?
If India did not send an RFI to France it is because there is no need this, since it was the Rafale F3 that won the MMRCA program, although the program has been suspended so far, India has chosen to buy 36 Rafale F3.
During the 2000s there were several criticisms that MMRCA program from India, once it had not been included the STOBAR fighters from IN to equip its new aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya.
The basic idea should be chosen a fighter even in different versions that could have been equipped both IAF and IN.
For several reasons as schedule and political, the IN has been chosen the MiG 29K, and thus the IAF could have been moving with more freedom to choice among the candidates available without to opt for candidates that has been already developed maritime versions (F/A 18E/F, Rafale M and MiG 35) at this time.
Coincidentally, the Rafale F3 won the MMRCA program, and at the same time rumors had been surfaced that the Rafale M would be acquired in the future to equip a new aircraft carrier from India.
India has done their homework about the failures of the MMRCA program, as well as the emphasis on Make in India has not been applied only with IAF, but for IN as well, so anyone that has not developed such maritime version for India untill 2021, probably will not win in India either with IAF and IN.
If SAAB could have not been removed the Gripen M from the never land until 2021, it certainly will not be India that will taken out the Gripen M from never land with all risks , after all the Rafale F3/M still in the leadership and the F/A 18 E/F has been follow in second place both with IAF e IN, even taking out the F 35A/B/C, the Gripen E and F 16 should have been competing for the 4th place even with IAF.
I agree entirely. From what I have been told .. the IAF distinctly likes the Gripen E – they find it an impressive jet that fills the void between the Tejas and the Gripen E … but as I have mentioned earlier … its no longer about the aircraft … its about the technology transfer and whether Gripen would be able to provide the technology transfer package (including India manufacture of the fighter) – Again, from what I have been told, Gripen believes that it has an impressive package which should suit Indian requirements but so do Lockheed Martin which is offering to transfer the production line to India …
I think it’s impossible that Gripen E has been between Tejas Mk1 and Gripen E, since the laws of physics has been preventing that t same object like Gripen E has been taking two places at the same time.
Perhaps you could have been referring to Gripen C/D, in that case India the had been interested a in the early 2000s as an alternative at the development of Tejas Mk1.
But the US had been vetoed Sweden’s negotiations with India’s in reason of the nuclear program at the time.
In fact, India has not been shown such highly interest in the Gripen E, since the Gripen E were rejected in the MMRCA program, as well as India has been sending RFI for several countries like France and Russia that doesn’t produce fighters with a single engine like the Gripen E or F 16.
From severall defense press organisations, and severall analysts including Richard Aboulafia.
I have severall identical quotes for Brasil, and when the FAB asked specificaly for the F-35A in the FX-2, LM answer was a warmed over F-16. I suspect the same is happening here.
Highly doubtfull. The reason why almost certainly the F-35A was not offered to the IAF twice in a row was because the State Dpt looked at the MRCA and this new “Made in India” and what was asked in terms of technological transfer was entirely out of order.
First for the LM to answer an RFI about the F 35 or F 16 it will needs the authorization of the US Government, in the case of Brazil the US Government had granted the authorization for the F 16 but denied for the F 35.
Eh, F-35A presentations by LM have been done to everybody and its dog, including the Brasilians, the Saudis, the UAE, and so on.
But, well, soon enough we´ll know wich of us is correct, if indeed LM officially offers Dave, then you are correct, if not, dont make a mistake, i am correct and it was indeed blocked at the Congress/State Dpt.
Cheers
Indeed every presentation of the F 35 at the possible clients does not mean that it has been approved by the US Government, otherwise this means like polite invitations that it will be possible to send an RFI for analysis both for the company and after the Government.
Then with the RFI response for the client It will be possible to begin negotiations between the parties, again it doesn’t mean that all requirements from RFI has been accepted by the company or Government. The lack of response of the RFI has been a polite way to say: no.
In the F/X 2 from Brazil there were two requirements highly complexity to accept :
100% of ToT and the construction in Brazil of all 36 fighters.
Both the F 16 and the MiG 35 were rejected by Brazil for reasons I do not know until now , the Typhoon were rejected at the high cost and the Su 35 because it had not contemplated the 100% of ToT in the proposals.
The short list of F/X 2 has been included: Rafale F3, F/A 18 E/F and Gripen E/F that all had been supposedly accepted those requirements, however all proposals has been classified as secret so far.
In the case of F 35 certainly the US would not accept to make 1% of ToT with Brazil.
The Gripen E/F has finally won the competition in Brazil, however after the signing of the contract the conditions has been modified by the parties: 15 fighters will be built in Brazil of 36 and the ToT will be extremely limited against the announced proposal of the 100%, as well as the Gripen F has not been designed in Brazil, and even the prototypes of the Gripen F will be constructed in Sweden instead of the Brazil.
So far 100% of ToT has been described as an urban legend in the aerospace industry that will bring the following two results from anyone who has been demanding this: it will burning the negotiations as it has been probably happened with India in the MMRCA program in which the Rafale F3 won the others competitors, or it will be forgotten as it has been happening in the case of the Gripen E/F that won the F/X2 from Brazil.
In general terms all RFI, RFE or any other supposed ‘document’ are fairy-tales until the contract has been signed between the parties, so if this contract will be like sweet dream or nightmare , all that has been depending of the side that will pay the bill in the end.
Lots of errors and guesswork written here.. where to start..
– there were no Su-27M delivered.. that type has been dead and gone since ages..
– the difference between N001VE and VEP is only slight – the ability to support the Kh-59ME missile, new backend with Baguet 55 series processor, simultaneous tracking of four A-A targets instead of two
– Chinese Su-27SKs have been acquired well before any multimode N001VE radars became available..
– Su-27SK are completely different from J-11A, BTW..
– Su-27SKs were not multimode
I hope you do not get upset that about the different versions of the J 11(A,B,C,D) , so far I have been considered Deino as authority on the subject, since Internet there are such contradictory sources about different versions of J 11. Yet as I am not won the lottery to buy his book, the same has been already in my shopping list, then you can feel free to correct any information posted here with any sources that you believe as reliable, of course that has been included your guesswork.
Below is the table with the different purchases made by China with both the Su-27SK and the Su-30MKK and Su-30MK2:
| width: 750 | class: grid | align: left |
|---|---|---|
| [tr] | ||
| [td]Fighter[/td] | ||
| [td]Mission[/td] | ||
| [td]Radar[/td] | ||
| [td]Year Contract[/td] | ||
| [td]Production[/td] | ||
| [td]Start [/td] | ||
| [td]End Deliveries[/td] | ||
| [td]Total[/td] | ||
|
[/tr] |
||
| [tr] | ||
| [td]Su 27SK[/td] | ||
| [td]Air Defense[/td] | ||
| [td]N001[/td] | ||
| [td]1991[/td] | ||
| [td]Russia[/td] | ||
| [td]1991-92[/td] | ||
| [td]1992[/td] | ||
| [td]26[/td] | ||
|
[/tr] |
||
| [tr] | ||
| [td]Su 27SK[/td] | ||
| [td]Air Defense[/td] | ||
| [td]N001[/td] | ||
| [td]1994[/td] | ||
| [td]Russia[/td] | ||
| [td]1994-95[/td] | ||
| [td]1996[/td] | ||
| [td]22[/td] | ||
|
[/tr] |
||
| [tr] | ||
| [td]Su 27SK[/td] | ||
| [td]Air Defense[/td] | ||
| [td]N001[/td] | ||
| [td]1996[/td] | ||
| [td]China[/td] | ||
| [td]1998[/td] | ||
| [td]2004[/td] | ||
| [td]95[/td] | ||
|
[/tr] |
||
| [tr] | ||
| [td]Su 27UBK[/td] | ||
| [td]Air Defense[/td] | ||
| [td]N001[/td] | ||
| [td]1999[/td] | ||
| [td]Russia[/td] | ||
| [td]1999[/td] | ||
| [td]2002[/td] | ||
| [td]28[/td] | ||
|
[/tr] |
||
| [tr] | ||
| [td]Su 30MKK[/td] | ||
| [td]Multirole[/td] | ||
| [td]N001VE[/td] | ||
| [td]1999[/td] | ||
| [td]Russia[/td] | ||
| [td]1999[/td] | ||
| [td]2004[/td] | ||
| [td]72[/td] | ||
|
[/tr] |
||
| [tr] | ||
| [td]Su 30MK2[/td] | ||
| [td]Multirole[/td] | ||
| [td]N001VEP[/td] | ||
| [td]2002[/td] | ||
| [td]Russia[/td] | ||
| [td]2002[/td] | ||
| [td]2004[/td] | ||
| [td]24[/td] | ||
|
[/tr] |
China had been produced only 15 Su-27SK between 1998 and 2000 , so the others 80 Su-27SK as well as 28 Su-27UBK were all produced after 2000 until 2004.
This can not be characterized as evidence that 108 Su-27SK/UBK could have been equipped with the N001VE or N001VEP multimode radars from Su-30MKK and Su-30MK2, instead than the original N001 from Su-27SK in the early 1990s.
It was interesting that China had been kept the Su-27SK in production until 2004 in the same standards that it first batch were acquired in 1991, with only air defense capability, and so far it has been limited to engage single target with BVR SARH missiles. Despite that China had brought the Su-30MKK and the Su-30MK2 with multirole capabilities.
Those 12 Su-27SM3 has been most advanced among the Su-27SM, once it could happened because it were new , and then it has been received the latest upgrade package, or perhaps because it were already more advanced than Su-27S/P, once the Su-27SK were in production for China in the early 2000.
In fact there are whispers, or maybe I have been listen voices in my head , that Russia could have been considering to create new simpler versions of the Su-35 in reason of same demands for possible customers, in this case should have been a lot of speculations like the engines could have been chosen among the Al-31FU with TVC from Su 30SM/MKI , as well such less expensive version from Al-41S without TVC. The radar could have been remained as the PESA radar N0035 Irbis E or another like the PESA version from Zhuck MSE, once the latter has been produced for the MiG 29K among others avionics items.
The main idea would be to repeat the same concept of the Su-30MK, once the Su-30MK could have been classified between two main classes, as the less complex and expensive like the Su-30MKK( China, Vietnam, Venezuela, Indonesia,Russia, Uganda and Angola) without canards, TVC and PESA radar N011 Bars, while the most advanced and expensive like the Su-30MKI ( India, Algeria, Malaysia, Russia) that has been equipped with: canards, TVC and radar PESA N011 Bars.
If the Al-41S would be replaced by other version without TVC, or even by the Al-31F with TVC, certainly in both cases there are considerable loss of capabilities in relation of the Su-35S, but at the present time with the great reduction of weight of the avionics, especially of the radars, as well as the airframe of the Su 35 has been optimized from the legacy Su-27M , this whispers at least sound not totally impossible.
Certainly that loss of capabilities could be offset by decreasing the acquisition and operating costs, as well as the option for simpler avionics like PESA radars could remained as option, especially if an AESA version of N035 should not be too far away to reach the Su-35S.
There are two fact in these rumors: first it should be that reason about Russia has been keeping the designation Su-35 for export, while Russia maintains the designation Su-35S for itself, once that each possible customer could have been opting for a specific version like it happened with the Su-30MK, then it would be less confusing than the designation of Su-30MK has been created in the 90s for the export version of the Su-30M.
The second reason it were more obvious, once it happened before with Su-30MK , as well as the Su-27SK that were less advanced than multirole Su-27M( canards, N011 radars without PESA), but the Su-27M didn’t enter in production in the 90’s, while the Su-27SK had been brought in considerable quantities in the 90’s.
Indeed the Su-27M are dead, but the Su-27M were renamed as Su-35 in the mid-90s, and now the Su-35S are quite alive and inherited the identity of Su-35 for export …
I don’t think that was his question, after all that is all clear that the radar stays the same (N001VEP?). Also the case of engines is clear as the Su-27 cannot incorporate 117S due to increased fan diameter.. The question is if the upgrade incorporates the SM3’s strengthened airframe with increased takeoff weight and additional pylons. So far, the Su-27SM3s were new-built, not upgraded..
There are several sources indicating that Russian Air Force has been received : 48 Su-35S, 12 Su-27M and 04 Su-30M2 since 2009 .
In fact, those 12 Su-27Ms were in different stages of production as Su 27SK (J 11A) for China, and the 04 Su 30M2 were in production as Su-30MK2 for China too.
This acquisition of 12 Su-27M and 04 Su-30M2 could have been described as liquidation to clean the factory, still all these has been new fighters.
The 12 Su 27M’s has been described several times as Su-27SM3, yet the multimode radar N001VEP should have been equipping only the Su-30MK2, while the Su-27SK were equipped with the radar N001 from Su-27S/P and Su-33, which it has been capable only for air defense missions.
In the case of the Su-27SM1/2 , it has been the multimode radar N001V , this version N001V has been modernized from N001 , just as it should be with the Su-27SK to new standards Su-27SM3.
There are fews doubt as: why China had been purchased the Su-30MKK with the multimode radar N001VE, as well as the Su-30MK2 with the multi-mode radar N001VEP, even at the same time that Russia has been modernized those ‘older’ air defense Su-27S/P into multimode Su-27SM1, while China were acquiring Su-27SK ( J-11A) with N001 only capable for air-air missions?
If those 12 Su-27SM3 could have been equipped with the multimode radars N001VEP , this would be an indication that original 12 Su-27SK( J 11) were already multimode versions for China.
In fact as it has been mentioned in the article above, such heavy fighter for air defense of the fleet shall be necessary to complement the F 35C:
‘Finally, the manoeuvre force will need a new aircraft optimised for offensive counter-air missions. Recalling the USN’s evolving requirements for a Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet replacement, CSBA’S report calls for an aircraft capable of fending off bombers and fighters armed with long-range anti-ship cruise missiles. ‘
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-think-tank-calls-for-stealthy-carrier-based-ucav-434654/
There are several opinions that interceptor F-14 Tomcat has not been totally replaced by the multirole F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet , once in the air defense missions of the fleet at least few gaps could have been appeared with the withdrawal of the F-14 Tomcat, may be with the F 35C it does not taken all necessary attributes to perform all air defense missions of the fleet in the near future too.
After the Gulf War in 1991 the US Navy had been sought a replacement for F-14 Tomcat that could be able to perform the missions from F 15E of the USAF, once the program A-12 were canceled in the early 90’s.
Apparently the first proposal of the MD were an aerodynamic version of F/A-18 with the engines and radars from F 15E to compete with a new proposed version of the F-14E, so this first concept were that new fighter could even replaced the own F 15E in the production line for both the USAF and other customers in the near future.
In fact, both F-15A/B and F-14A had not been developed with unstable aerodynamic and FBW system in the early 70’s, then both designs could have been replaced with some advantages by unstable aerodynamic design like such heavy F/A-18.
However, the F/A-18 E/F has become lighter than the F-15E, otherwise the F-15E has been remained in preference like several countries opted by the same as: Saudi Arabia, Israel, South Korea and Singapore.
The point should that : if the F/A-18 E/F had become such heavy as the F-15E , then it were not remained many factors to keep the F-15E itself in production, in this way it could have been unified the production around this possible heavy F/A-18 E/F which would increase the scale of production of the subsystems of this and consequently decreasing the cost of it.
Anyway I do not think the US Navy would be unhappy today with such heavy F/A-18 E/F that could have been show the same capabilities of the heavy F-15E/K/SG/I, otherwise it could have been any strong reason about the US Navy did not opt for such heavier version from F/A-18 E/F.
Russia’s Next-Gen Stealth Bomber to Replace Tu-22, Tu-95 and Tu-160 Planes
In fact, I have found out the Commander Viktor Bondarev comment much more interesting than that of Mr. Evgeniy Fedorov about the PAK-DA:
“It is impossible to build a missile-carrying bomber invisible to radars and supersonic at the same time. This is why focus is placed on stealth capabilities. The PAK DA will carry AI-guided missiles with a range of up to 7,000 km. Such a missile can analyze the aerial and radio-radar situation and determine its direction, altitude and speed. We’re already working on such missiles,” Bondarev was quoted as saying by the Russian newspaper Rossiskaya Gazeta.”
https://sputniknews.com/military/201702241051011355-russia-stealth-bomber/
The emphasis of the commentaries are about STEALTH capabilities as this new missile with AI( Artificial Intelligence) and such range over 7000 Km( 3,778 NM), which it would be such phenomenal improvement over the Kh-101/102 around the 4,500 Km ( 2,430 NM) with Tu-95MS and Tu-160 today.
For this new 7,000 km( 3,778 NM) missile there are two alternatives: the first this new missile should large hypersonic missile that will be carried internally by PAK-DA, after all the PAK-DA should remains STEALTH until the moment of launch of those hypersonic missiles.
However, if the PAK-DA will be a flying wing all aspect STEALTH, and it could have been equipped with long range hypersonic missiles with range of 7000Km( 3,778 NM) , as well as it were not all aspects STEALTH missiles, then it will not make much sense at all about the emphasis in the STEALTH and AI subjects in those commentaries.
Once the proof of this has been the interceptor MiG-31 and the SAM S- 300 that were developed in the 70’s with the main mission of intercepting the AGM-86 ALCM and AGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles instead of the B 52 H and B-1B bombers itself.
The other alternative should be such subsonic STEALTH cruise missile with a range of more than 7.000 Km( 3,778 NM) it seems quite difficult task to reconcile parameters of compactness with the capabilities, once the same should have been transported internally and in high numbers, as well as to obtain all aspects STEALTH capabilities too.
May be this new missile with range up 7,000 km( 3,778 NM) will be like flying wing with all aspect STEALTH capabilities, then instead such cruise missile the same shall be a UCAV.
In this hypothetical case this UCAV would have not been transported internally and externally by the PAK DA, since the PAK DA could have been used for escorting and air-air refueling from those UCAVs.
An important factor about STOLV fighters like the F-35Bs has been only depending on its means to take off and landing at an aircraft carrier like Queen Elizabeth class.
In the case of the F-35C and all others fighters has been equipping those CATOBAR aircraft carriers requiring steam catapults or new magnetic catapults, as well as the arresting hook devices.
Indeed CATOBAR aircraft carriers has been extremely efficient to operate aircraft’s in the sea, otherwise its ships are highly complex to operate too.
Even in the case of the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuzentsov that is STOBAR, then it does not use catapults but sky-jump ramp , this had been paralyzed its operations for weeks in Syria due to malfunctions in the arresting gear , which it caused the loss of a new MiG-29K due to lack of fuel.
The complexity of steam catapults has been several times high than the arresting devices, once the catapults has been requiring steam or electricity, in the case of the new magnetic catapults, from aircraft carriers.
As the complexity of a system( CATOBAR aircraft carrier) has been increasing with the introduction of new features , then the opportunities for failure increasing too, despite that can be balanced with the introduction of redundancies or alternative measures to keep the system reliable.
About CATOBAR aircraft carrier the redundancies are essential in all aspects, especially in the event of battle damages, even redundant or alternative systems could be out of operation, especially steam or even the new magnetic catapults.
The steam or magnetic catapults has been depended of steam pipes or electric cables to supply it, and in general those pipes has been doubled or tripled for each catapult, as well as it are running a different way in order to prevent that damages in one section of the ship cut off all supply lines for the catapults. In general terms it would be necessary to cut off the ship in half to interrupt all supply lines for the catapults.
In the 80s there were such fear about those heavy supersonic missiles such as AS-4 (Kh-22) and SS-N- 19 (P-700) that could be capable to process the signals from its active radars and to obtain data such as the indication of target movement, with the detection of the movement of the ship it could trace its heading and then to segment such large ship between: bow, half and stern, which would allow programing those missiles to reach a specific section of the ship instead of performing at random.
Apparently all modern anti-ship missiles today will be capable to choose a specific section of a ship, so by multiplying the damage in a single vital section of the ship, the same could be disabled with fewer direct hits by anti-ship missiles or even heavy torpedoes .
In the case of a CATOBAR aircraft carrier, although it is possible to multiply the supply lines of the catapults, otherwise it is not possible to multiply the machine room, since nuclear reactors, boilers or electric generators has been concentrated in such section of those ships.
Some genius has been calculated that it would necessary to take 12 direct hits from missiles like AS 4 and SS-N-19 to incapacitate such heavies US nuclear aircraft carriers. However I do not know if those 12 impacts should have been concentrated or randomly distributed by the ship to incapacitate the same.
In the case of F 35B, those fighters has been requiring that the aircraft carriers like Queen Elizabeth class are only floating without a high heeling to operate in case that aircraft carrier has been suffering with combat damages.
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Saying something like this:
This strategic bomber, and operational-tactical missile bomber, even a long-range interceptor and a possible platform for spacecraft launchesMeans that the various design bureaux are actually working to four different models?
In the case being, the strategic bomber is the PAK-DA, the long range interceptor is the so called MiG-41 but about the other two? With the platform for spacecraft launches I can figure a variant of the long rang interceptor but the same definition operational-tactical missile bomber puzzles me…
Also because they said that the PAK-DA would take also the place of Tu-22M3.
Maybe it’s the translation, but I got the impression there are not 4 aircraft, only the PAK-DA that would be able to carry out those missions:‘strategic bomber, and operational-tactical missile bomber, even a long-range interceptor and a possible platform for spacecraft launches.’
In the 80s most likely 11 among 10 NATO strategists could have been swearing that Tu-22M3 and even the Tu-22M2 were equipped with such secret AAM ( Air-Air Missiles). Even after the end of the Soviet Union had been still published in the West in the 90’s that the Kh-15 (AS-16 kickback) missiles that could have been created an air-air version with ARH seeker, which in fact has never happened like another ‘secret’ AAM for the Tu-22M.
This ‘paranoid thinking’ from NATO strategists in the 80 with the Tu-22M2/3 were not random in all aspects, once the Tu-22M2/3 program had been of the most important from Soviet Union. Otherwise the Soviet Union had been already developing the Tu-22M4 with NK-32 engines from Tu-160 and also another new version that were only described as Tu-22M5.
Probably the Tu-22M4 prototype should have been stocked in Russia, however about the Tu-22M5 from Tupolev there were not further information’s on the features of this project, as well as about the T-60 from Suckhoi that were revealed in the 90’s for the replacement of the Tu-22M3.
In fact Tupolev had been developed such interceptor project the Tu-22P in the 70’s that were based over in the Tu-22M2 as replacement of the long range interceptor Tu-128, however the Soviet Union chosen to develop the MiG-31.
Such aircraft’s with size and capabilities like the Tu-22M3 or even the Tu-22M4 could have been capable to launch such spacecraft ( rocket) as the Pegasus XL class if the same were modified for it, as well as such Russian rocket like the Pegasus XL were created too, then for the new PAK-DA this task could be one of its missions.
However, even Mr. Fedosov has been stated some goals does not necessarily mean that this will occur in this way…
Unfortunately, this time, there was substance to that deliriuos and stupid idea, by the highest voices in the MINDEF. The said: “We needed to look at options, so we looked everywere, and for this year 2017, the needed fighter selection has been put on hold. We have adquired (actual verb usage, as in a certainty) 12x Texans IIs, 4x C-295, and a C-130. A4-AR will be phased out by 2022.”
In my forum we became extremely angry at the stupidity of even considering the MiGs as a valid system, and spending money on sending personel to evalute whatever.
By the Way, since this is month 2 of the year 1 under the Macri adnministration budget, the Armed Forces have increased their share of GDP% spending from 0,40% to 0,95%. By 2019 the proyection calls for 2,20% GDP, which is quite substancial. In U$D FY17 we are looking at U$D 6,080,000,000 for this year, when 2016 under the f…..g kirchners cleptocracy it was U$D 2,430,000,000. The proyection is for FY17 U$D 14,000,000,000 in 2019.
Make no mistake, we need basically everything. Good thing we already paid Beretta for the 100,000 ARX-200 and 120,000 M-9s, and the factory to make them.
Cheers.
EDIT: By the way, Macri has a FA-50 model in his presidential office.
EDIT2: I understand it was a very nice phone call with Pence and later with Trump. Macri and DJMT have been doing deals since the 80’s.
EDIT3: Get it off your heads. Soviet (russian) or chinese equipment is utter fantasy down here. Will never happen.
EDIT4: We don’t have oficial papers on the T6-C+ Texans IIs, other than the program runs for U$D 300,000,000 and estipulates 24 airplanes initialy.
As far as I remember the Argentine Air Force has been keeping good relations with the Peru Air Force, so if Argentina would like to evaluate the MiG 29, maybe the best place should be Peru than in Russia itself, after all Peru has been using the MiG 29S (9.13S) equipped with the R 77, so far as I know the Russian Air Force does not equipping the R 77 with its MiG 29 (9.13) and MiG 29SMT, perhaps the Russian Navy with the MiG 29K.
About Argentina had sent a delegation to Russia for evaluations maybe there are some interest on the part of Argentina, however this can not be considered as a possible sale, another options about this movement from Argentina could opens some western doors that has been closed for Argentina.
If today Argentina had such budget enough to buy 24 F3 Rafales from France I could bet that Hell would have been cooling like a glacier before France would authorized the sale to Argentina, luckily for the US and France that Argentina has not been keeping resources in its budget for Rafales F3, which is a lot convenient for US and UK, as well as this possible refraction that you had mentioned from Argentine about equipment from China and Russia.
However, I believe that Argentina military put the sovereignty of the country as an absolute priority, and they does not care about its equipment origin due to some political or ideological rancor of the past, after all in 1982 the Argentina had been obtained MANPADS SA 7 Grail from Libya during the Falklands War …
Hi there … I know I flew on the Gripen Demo … so nope, I was not `broken’ by any means ! The words “Gripen Demo” and “Gripen NG prototype” were used interchangeably by SAAB – they meant one and the same thing and quite clearly, there are multiple versions of prototypes so ‘Gripen NG prototype’ remains accurate. That said, the jet I flew on was indeed a test-bed .. it did not feature the Selex Vixen ES-05 AESA at the time of the sortie. There was a fair bit of test instrumentation onboard I was told. The performance of the fighter was simply incredible. In fact, the Swedish Air Force pilot who flew me the other day mentioned that keeping up with the F-414 engined Gripen prototype was quite a challenge for pilots flying Gripens using the F-404. Here are a few images from that sortie .. the same one in which we supercruised. That’s me in the backseat of the NG Prototype …
These images have been taken by Jamie Hunter …
I’m relieved to know that I did not break you, so I would like to ask you a favor since I can not differentiate very well the Gripen Demo ( Gripen NG for you) from the Gripen D in the photos, then I only suspect the Gripen Demo (Gripen NG for you) is the one without the fuel tank on the belly, isn´t?
If my suspect is correct it could mean that SFC from F414 engine in the Gripen Demo (Gripen NG) it has been better than the SFC from F404 engine in the Gripen D, once for this show flight the Gripen Demo (Gripen NG) had not been carrying such extra fuel tank.
Otherwise for anyone that has been flying on a Gripen D with an extra fuel tank, and then flew in the Gripen Demo( Gripen NG) without any extra fuel tank, it must have been extremely impressed with the Gripen Demo ( Gripen NG) performance over Gripen D, once the Gripen Demo( Gripen NG) has been equipped with F414 and probabily with almost the same weight from Gripen D has been equipped with F404. Then with our without extra fuel tank will not make any difference, won’t?
Was fortunate to fly on the Gripen D again at Aero India – This is my third sortie on the Gripen .. actually my fifth … since two of the sorties from Linkoping involved landing, hot refuelling and taking off again. Was lucky to have flown on the Gripen NG prototype in one of the earlier sorties and believe I may be the first civilian to have experienced super-cruise. Anyway, here are a few images from my sortie a few days back. Enjoy.
I have some good news and bad news .
The good news is that Gripen Demo has been the only twin seater fighter capable to fly at supercruise, so it is highly possible that you are the first civilian has been obtained this, then my congratulations.
Indeed I did not want to break you, but I have to tell you the truth that has been omitted from you since 2011, in fact you did not fly the Gripen NG but the Gripen Demo that were converted from Gripen D to use the F414 engine instead the F404 from Gripen D.
Although the Gripen Demo and Gripen NG should have been keeping several parts in common such as 60% of the airframe and the engine F414, yet the Gripen Demo is quite different from the Gripen NG, once the Gripen Demo hasn’t been used even like test bench from software from Gripen NG, despite the Gripen NG has been developed for almost 15 years.
Another bad news is that aircraft carrier Sao Paulo (ex-Foch) from Brazilian Navy will be withdrawn from service once its modernization plan from DCN has been abandoned by the Brazilian Navy.
In fact, such program to extend the useful life and modernize such aircraft carrier with 32,000 t for US$ 1 Billion does not seem very costly, but the program would have been taking almost 10 years to be complete, so there were lots of doubt from Brazil Navy about the feasibility of this program as well as its end cost after 10 years.
There are not definition about the replacement of the Sao Paulo aircraft carrier, since the cut of resources has been generalized among Brazilian military forces, even the acquisition of the SAM SA 22 Panstir S 1 were also canceled by Brazil.
So far the acquisition of the 36 Gripen NG has not been affected since it will be financed by the Government of Sweden through loans to Brazil.
However about the supposed development of the Sea Gripen or Gripen M for the Brazil this plans has been disappeared from radar screen across the Never Land.
thanks for pointing them out, interesting stuff
but both are manually operated, the whole point of computers these days is that they would guide those weapons much better
without placing a large burden on pilots
also many GPS guided weapons today do have radio links that can be used to send target updates. meaning you could use those same links to guide the weapon, and could ditch the GPS and advanced course correcting computers all together, which would save a lot of money I’m sure
In fact radio guided weapons has been used in COIN missions both in Iraq and Syria at this time, since the AT 6 Spiral missiles (9K114 Shturm) and AT 9 Spiral 2 (9K120 Ataka) has been firing by: Mil Mi 24P, Mil Mi 35M, Mil Mi 28N and maybe by the Ka 52 .
The 9K120 Ataka missiles has been credited with better range and accuracy than the 9K114 Sthurm, yet the Ataka’s useful range could be around 4 km ( 2.5 mi) against an MBT, since for long range around 8 Km ( 5 mi) against an MBT there are the AT 16 (9K121 Vikhr) with laser guidance.
So the radio guidance in fact does not provide great accuracy at long distances due to the fact that the sight system( SACLOS) of the platform that launched the missile has been need to correct the missile’s trajectory continually, the inaccuracy problem will increasing as long the distance getting high, once the sight system becomes itself more inaccuracy too. Then every time that missile gets out of the line-of-sight it were necessary to correct its trajectory, but while it has been correcting the missile also could occurred other deviates from correct bearing, so its need of another correction, in summary the missile has been continuously oscillating in the system line-of-sight.
For those who has been playing through the Internet may understand this as the PIN number of the internet connection, which are the time lag between the command has been executed and the action performed in the game, once the missile has been corrected its trajectory after it were deviated from it, so every command sent to the missile corrects its past behavior, then its has been always keeping such time lag and therefore an inaccuracy.
All of these missiles (Shturm, Ataka and Vikhrs) has been used the concept of spin in flight that makes to rotate on its axis, like in unguided rockets, to maintain more stable trajectory until reach the target, indeed it were another major advance over the first radio guided AT 2 Swatter , but for long distances the laser guidance has been used in the Vikhrs too.