Nonsense. With a weaponsload the Su-24 is limited below Mach 1 like the Tornado. Max penetration speed in full burner is ~600 kt.
I was surprised by the Mach 1.2 claim considering even the lead sled couldn’t do it and it was probably the fastest attack jet on the deck.
It looks like the backplate in the camera lens. Is it a digital?
Repeat after me “43,000lbs of thrust on tap”. 🙂
The denatured export version will be more in the F-16 class.
Nope, wasn’t too worried about it considering its over-spec design.
Do you have empirical proof it has?
btw – the theoretical comment had to do with efficiency, not whether it could happen or not.
So the supercruise part is 250 nm at mach 1.2..that means roughly a 20 min time period.Thanks Scorpion.
This point is something people battled for months over a year or so back. Supercruise is defined as flying at a velocity above the speed of sound for a sustained period. But some people around here were overly zealous in demanding the super cruise speed needs to be in a range much higher than mach 1.2 to be useful or it was not considered supercruise. The raptor in comparison will supercruise at a theoretical, optimal supercruise speed of mach 1.7 which is well above transonic speeds.
Before one directly compares them one should look at them across their respective families.
Attached are the T-10/Su-27 family, the F-15 family, and a tongue-in-cheek “what happens if they cross-bred” depiction.
A country the size of Morocco is best served by more airframes. But when one answers that it is not a simple question of numbers, it is more of one concerning how many are flying while the others are serviced. These decisions are best made by civilian auditors as much as anyone on the military side of the sale. I’d have to think the F-16 made more sense 8-12 years down the road.
But the wear and tear is projected out before the design leaves the drawing board. The current crop of P-3’s are getting old like the USAF’s F-15’s; they’ve been in service long enough to make many of them older than their crews. The USN is trying to save money on their fleet of ships, subs, and aircraft by stretching out the maintenance schedules. It makes me wonder if the taxpayer got their money worth or the USN let them break by not taking care of them.
Let’s not forget the P-3 is pushed every once in awhile into a FAC role over Iraq and Afghanistan right now. How many other roles are they carrying that they were not intended?
How many service trips were passed over to make up tight money to cover operations in Iraq? Sure is funny so many big ticket items are withering at the same time. I smell politics.
So why is IAF asking for more power? Or is it that LCAs weight had increased by many hundreds of kgs than what was intended to be ? or LCA is having some design problems which led more drag and subsequently it could not go supersonic in those arrakonam tests.
The LCA is actually lightweight compared to its contempary counterparts. They’ve also done an excellent job compacting this design to be very low volume for the amount of equipment and fuel in this design. In this way it should be very dense, which is a plus when cutting through supersonic air. The culprit from anecdoctal evidence would lead me to suspect supersonic drag is very high in this design. But what do I know, I’m just an internet poster…
I’m not so sure that angle proves it has any bottleshape to it. It looks like blending between the wing and body at the wingroot. Perhaps the cross-sectional area of the Tejas’s body is distributed effectively, but from that photo one cannot honestly say that is the case.
Just looking at how the air will flow across the plane’s shape in the line art leads me to suspect that supersonic drag is more of a problem than raw power of the engine. It should have power to spare at this point in the program. Convair had a very streamlined design that couldn’t get supersonic when smarter shaping allowed it to boost the speed by 25% with a modest 7% boost in thrust even though it weighed two additional tons by the end of the change. Guess what, that plane was seventy feet long, 700 square feet of wing, and weighed 15 tons when loaded yet did that stunt on less power than what the Tejas uses.
I can see the Indian crowd gets a little touchie when someone is critical of one of their indigineous designs.
You haven’t looked very closely at the Gripen if you did not see the bottle shaping. The Gripen is merely three feet longer in length yet a half foot shorter in height, but probably has less internal volume overall than the Tejas. And the Tejas has 400 square feet of wing compared to the 275 square feet of the Gripen, so I have no idea what you are trying to say as far as Tejas body to have less drag. The Tejas just doesn’t have classic aerodynamic shaping like its contempary counterparts. The Tejas enjoys a one ton weight advantage under the Gripen, so it does have that in its favor.
As for the “hooded” look – the leading edge root extensions on Russian/Soviet designs – they are not strictly found on their aircraft. LERX has been around for decades.
At 5.5 tons empty weight, Tejas is 700 kgs lighter than the S. Korean T-50 light trainer jet. Tejas has a smaller height and wingspan than the T-50 trainer. One may be forgiven to think of the Tejas as a trainer, and the T-50 golden eagle, a full-fledged combat aircraft, whereas it is the other way round !
The T-50 Golden eagle is also powered by the GE F-404 engine as the Tejas. However, its top speed is limited to Mach 1.4 compared to Mach 1.8 for the Tejas. The Gripen, also powered by an advanced variant of the GE F-404, has a top speed of Mach 2, despite weighing 1 ton more than the Tejas.
It is thus unclear as to how the IAF claims that the Tejas is “undepowered”, although it may also be unclear how the Gripen manages a top speed of Mach 2 on the same engine despite weighing 1 ton more than Tejas. Anyway, by conventional norms, the Tejas should be regarded at par with its counterparts the Gripen and T-50.]
The Tejas is basically having problems I’m guessing with supersonic drag from its own shockwave. If you look at most modern day fighters they design them to incorporate some sort of contouring where there is no straightline airflow on the fuselage. Start with the F-102 and look how they contoured the body like a soda bottle. This new shape allowed the basic F-102 aircraft to pass through the air much more efficiently with the same amount of thrust. You’ll see this same bottleshape on the Mirage family, too. The Mirage IIIE has less thrust, more weight, and about the same surface area yet is able to fly at up to Mach 2.2 above 30,000 feet. The Tejas seems to be devoid of these characteristics.
If they raised the forward fuselage and drooped the nose more like how Sukhoi or Mikoyan designs have been the past thirty years, they might make it flow better. Better yet, they should have designed the fore section of the body to be more diamond-shaped so that it had less frontal surface area.