So in summary of all the chinese fighter programs we officially have…
Mikoyan J-2 Fagot
Shenyang J-4 Fagot
Mikoyan J-5 Fresco
Shenyang J-5A Fresco
Shenyang J-6 Farmer
Nanchang Q-5/A-5 Fantan
Shenyang/Chengdu J-7 Fishbed
Shenyang J-8 Finback
Chengdu J-9/FC-1/JF-17 Fishpaste
Shenyang J-11 Flanker
Xian JH-7/JH-7A/FBC-1 Flounder
Unofficially we have…
Chengdu F-7M Airguard
Xian JH-7/JH-7A/FBC-1 Feibao (“flying leopard”)
Chengdu J-9/FC-1 Xiaolong (“fierce dragon”)
Chengdu J-10 Qianglong (“vigorous dragon”/”brave dragon”)
Chengdu F-10 Vanguard (export version of J-10 to Pakistan)
Shenyang J-12 XXJ or J-XX
Chengdu JF-17 Thunder (export version of FC-1 to Pakistan)
Taiwanese…
AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo
… A/B An Hsiang (“safe flight”)
… C/D Hsiung Ying (“brave hawk”)
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Why doesn’t Saudi Arabia fly MiG-31E’s or even MiG-25RB? It makes alot of sense. They can afford them. They don’t have anything like either one.
One or both would fill a huge gap in their prima donna air force, high-speed at high-level standoff-intercept and/or high-level at high-speed recon. You’ve got the Tornado and the Eagle sharing time in Saudi airspace as it is, but neither one of them is really a major threat to anti-shipping strikes from Iran. The MiG-31E, even with the original Zaslon, would be deadly to anything the Iranians could throw at shipping.
And they currently use the Tornado IDS for recon, flying low and fast which is suicidal over modern air defenses. You definitely don’t want to use them to scout Iranian warships as low and high speed over the water is not a great idea. Iraq mercilessly pounded British Tornadoes during first desert storm when the latter tried high speed passes over Iraqi airfields. The MiG-25RB has a good chance of evading F-14’s unless they specifically can vector in their quarry. Sometimes I think the Saudi Air Force is more for show than anything else. Flying the MiG’s is probably crude in their book.
The Lords are the movers and shakers of the UK. They are mostly born into money and their place within. When their kin decided to move to submarines it was a done deal.
Vulcan was an enigma to the house of Lords. It represented the height of the cold war. By that time NATO was pushing for a nuclear deterrent based on intermediate range missiles and standoff cruise missiles, which were not a part of the Vulcan plan form. The UK moved to dependence on the submarine force. Perhaps if Vulcan had assumed cruise missiles it would of survived.
The US is not whom Europe has to worry. A new cold war with a revitalized Russia sitting three days from the Atlantic coast and the entire nato military base outside of the U.S. sitting in a few known positions is the worry. Russia could concievable make an end run with concentrated forces across Europe today unlike during the cold war.
The sad reality of ucav technology is that its very slow to react in a dynamic situation. The only real benefit for ucav is keeping humans out of harms way. But when it comes to war you sometimes have to build on sacrifice and people willing to die for the greater cause, which ucav will not understand this concept. If Europe is setting all its future efforts on ucav then they are in for real trouble.
True, but the Olympus was fat and long. Quite optimal situation for a move to turbofan engines.
Please stop with the constant ad hominems. The debate is fine although quite circulical.
Vulcan probably would of had to re-engine to extend its life. The question is to what? Continue beyond Olympus Mk.301 development? Develop something from the Pegasus? Use perhaps the RB.80 of the VC10? License-build the TF-33? License-build the GE F101? Kuznetsov NK-8-2 and Soloviev D-30 were probably decent options but were still behind the iron curtain at the time.
Lets just speculate what could of been, since this whole idea of MiG-31’s is vapor anyhow.
MiG-31E would of supplemented or replaced F-14’s in Iranian service. And Sa’eqeh-80 would of replaced the F-4’s in Iranian service. Azarakhsh would of replaced F-5’s. And Shafaq or Tazarve will replace the T-33’s. Are Su-25’s potentially their future ground attack force? What support planes (kc 707, etc.) do they plan to replace?
What propelled the Mirage 2000-5 & Mica to 40/1 performance?
OT – more concerned with the RDY-3
Crazy how they are marketing it for more than Mirage 2000. Its also being pimped for MiG-29, Mirage F.1, Mirage V, and India’s LCA. Mirage V wasn’t really supposed to be the type to use an air to air radar, it was supposed to be a third generation ground attack warplane. I wonder if the integration of the RDY-3 suddenly makes these third gen specialized aircraft more or less into fourth gen multipurpose warplanes.
The open bladed comment pertained within the context of a COIN aircraft. I can play semantics with everything you just said to make it wrong again. So what if you save 35% in fuel when you lose 150 miles per hour? The problem with a propfan is that it’s still slow compared to a turbofan. I could go on and on but its pointless really. It’s just not worth my time to argue for nothing.
Interesting its so loud. You usually add blades to a fan to quiet it down, not to make it louder. Maybe their blade tips are hitting the edge of the speed of sound and hence the source of the sound energy? I just can’t get over the mental hurdle of something being efficient when its also loud, the noise is usually a clue its not efficient.
1. No, not wrong. Difference of opinion. Additional blades made from ceramics and the use of optimal curves for the blades are ways you improve modern propeller-driven efficiency. And when you look at the evolution of the propeller you end up exactly the path I described, a ducted fan. Nobody wastes their time with high-tech open blade designs because these expensive changes to the basic blade don’t really add much to performance (none over a ducted fan) and they certainly do not aid survival.
2. Are you being serious? AOPA taught me all I needed to know. You are still fixated on the technical term and want to debate a canned argument. The argument was open ended and you left wiggle room for showing its not true in all cases. I merely pointed out your argument had its flaw when one engineers around the problem.
3. They designed it, tested it, it worked. History. Old water under the bridge. Get over it.
Speed is not always the best indication of survival, so you are confusing why high speed propeller driven designs never emerged. Large propellers offered better accelleration and fuel range plus could offer exceptional payloads compared to jets. But because they offered huge infrared signatures it didn’t make sense to pursue them any longer. In Vietnam the VNAF’s prop fleet was hammered by SA-7.
Semantics shmantics, the airflow around a wing is either laminar or turbulent. The airflow around something is under pressure. The net effect may be lower pressure around one side of the object, but the entire flow itself is pressurized. Come on, man, these are basic concepts. You seem more interested in arguing at this point than listening to the point made.
Your original argument about the B-36 being the wrong compromise is wrong. The choice for the pusher was to draw turbulence away from the wing and the induced airflow created a better overall laminar airflow. As for performance it was more than acceptable as jet engines just didn’t have it back in those days. It was only as fast as necessary and flew higher than the interceptors of its day. Don’t forget that at its top altitudes it could out manuever the interceptors, too. The fact it could spend the better part of two days in the air and fly across any hemisphere unrefuelled made it a pretty good design in my opinion.