Thanks gentlemen.
Found this on anothe site. Which was the source of my Absalon radar query:
The danish navy has finally revealed more information about the frigate project PDF Doc in danish
http://forsvaret.dk/NR/rdonlyres/EAA95FEE-99D3-49C6-817E-8517BDB640E9/0/Præsentation_PS.pdf
The class will consist of three ships
Dimensions approx 138/20/6 m 6.200 tons crew ca. 100 (Able to accomodae up to 160)
4 Diesel engines 28 knots.
Armament
1 32-cell Mk 41 launcher
24 ESSM
8 Harpoons (3 containers ?)
1 76 mm (probably from deleted standard flex) but prepared for a 127 mm
1 35 millienim CIWS
ASW torpedoes
1 EH-101 + space for UAV’s
Radar Suite
Sampson + SMART-S
OR
APAR + SMART-L
Building begins July 2007
First ship in service January 2011 , second August 2011 Third February 2012
Another coupla sites site of some interest from time to time:
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsurf/default.aspx
http://www.globalsecurity.org/index.html
To keep up with USN aviation:
Some discussion sites:
http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=22
http://p216.ezboard.com/bwarships1discussionboards
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?f=19
http://p074.ezboard.com/fhistorypoliticsandcurrentaffairs68862frm9
OTHER daily news sites of interest:
Another monthly site with some USN reports:
For the UK Royal Navy its official site is quite uesful in general and for most of its surface combatants there is also an individual unit specific news feature.
Many, many sources (including the ones you mentioned plus other discussion sites) but these three are quite useful on a daily basis:
also monthly here:
JSF News
DATE:20/09/05
SOURCE: Flight International
Italy plans mixed fleet of JSFs
Italy has decided to operate a mixed fleet of conventional and short take-off and vertical landing (CTOL/STOVL) Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, says Rear Adm Steven Enewold, JSF programme executive officer, writes Graham Warwick.
Rome had planned to acquire STOVL F-35Bs to replace its Alenia/Embraer AMXs and Boeing AV-8B Harrier IIs, but now plans to acquire a mixed fleet that would also replace some of its Panavia Tornados. The decision could increase Italy’s JSF requirement from 130 aircraft to 200 and strengthen its discussions with the USA on establishing a final-assembly and checkout line.
The UK is also conducting another analysis of the F-35C carrier variant (CV) for operation from its future aircraft carriers, having previously selected the STOVL variant. New US Air Force chief of staff Gen Michael Moseley has meanwhile reconfirmed the service’s interest in the STOVL JSF as well as the CTOL F-35A, says Enewold.
For the UK, Lockheed is studying a rolling vertical landing capability that would allow the STOVL aircraft to return with a heavier load. “If we can get 40-50kt [70-90km/h] lift over the wing we get more bring back,” says Enewold. This could also interest the USAF, which “does not have a vertical landing requirement”. The air force also wants to put an internal gun – currently only in the F-35A – back in the F-35B.
The UK’s analysis of the STOVL and CV variants is tied to a decision next year on the size of its future carriers, but Enewold warns: “The CV is the least mature of the variants. We have provided the best information available, but there is more uncertainty with the CV.” Lockheed has just begun laying out the F-35C’s design and has recently increased wing area by 3.7m2 (40ft2) to cut approach speed.
http://www.flightinternational.c…+JSFs.html
Note from a knowledgeable person I know who says Enewold quoted above thinks thus.:
“Rear Adm Steven Enewold, JSF programme executive officer is not confident of the continuation of the F-35C. “
Now thats discouraging if true.
There is some question on where the price will go with the reduction of the buy by the USN and USMC of 409 aircraft.
Not to mention other factors that are sure to increase the cost.
Indeed some of the article is that way and I knew it.
I did not post it as the official plan but to answer some of your questions. As I thought we had cleared up what the official plan is. Apparently not.
Officially the USMC plans on only buying and operating the STOVL version.
However, the USN has hinted that they may want the USMC to operate the conventional version.
Reading the entire article would clear up some of your perspective.
I disagree on your comparison of Proceedings and Af mag for a variety of reasons. I read both. Among numerous others.
These two links should clear up some of your questions also:
OK.
I should add the exact mix of C and B variants is not yet etched in stone. But the USMC plans on buying all STOVL variants unless forced into the coventional carrier variant by the USN.
In the USNI Proceedings magazine of December 2003 is an excellent article by Col. Robinson USMC entitled:
TACAIR Integration
Must Optimize JSFs
Heres a free snippet. The entire article is not on-line unfortunately. Im a life member of USNI. So I have the magazine article. I will post a coupla other snippets from it also.:
“Marine squadrons in CVWs should be equipped with the STOVL JSF because of the synergistic effect of increased range and operational flexibility within the same air wing. Furthermore, it saves [DoN MOA] more than $300 million based on the $2 million lower price tag associated with STOVL JSF compared to the CV variant.”
As for carrier suitability he states:
“A STOVL JSF can operate with the CV variant from the same carrier deck. With standard carrier launch winds of 30 knots over the deck, STOVL JSF can take off from forwrad of the jet blast deflecor on all four catapults with a full internal ordance load and 96% internal fuel.”
also :
“It can launch and recover for operational or force protection purposes when wind over the deck requirements cannot be acheived for convetional catapult and arrestment operations(such as when steaming downwind for recovery, when operating in resticted waters, when transiting through choke points, during underway replenishing, or in the event of a ship casualty).”
No. Its not “wishful thinking”. Its the official plan. Not hard to look it up.
But with your attitude I wont be providing any links to info. Your on your own.
The plan is to have one USMC squadron in each air wing. Ten total vice the four that are assigned now.
The USMC plans on buying only F-35B. Ergo those are the planes that will be used.
Not likely to happen:
“How about:
30 F-35Cs
30 F-18E/Fs
8 F/A-18Gs
4 E-2s
10 Tankers (additional Super Hornets most likely)
10 Helicopters.”
Its planned to be:
12 F/A 18F
12 F/A 18E
10 F 35C
10 F 35B(USMC)
4 EA 18G
4 E 2C
plus helos
Carrier Air Wings are undergoing major transitions at this time.
Below are the notional/nominal CAW complements for each fleet:
Pacific Fleet
12 F/A 18F
12 F/A 18E
24 F/A 18C(N)
4 EA 6B
4 E 2C
5 SH 60F
2 HH 60H
2 SH 60B
In addition a two plane C 2A detachment is normally present on deployments.
Atlantic Fleet
12 F/A 18F
12 F/A 18E
12 F/A 18C(N)
12 F/A 18C(N)
4 EA 6B
4 E 2C
5 SH 60F
2 HH 60H
8 S 3B
In addition a two plane C 2A detachment is normally present on deployments.
Notes:
More or fewer aircraft may deploy in each individual squadron.**
USS Roosevelt is deployed with approx. 20 F 14D in two squadrons.
Three squadrons have yet to transiton to the F/A 18F. The two mentioned above plus the last F 14B squadron which will begin transition shortly.
Four squadrons remain to transition to the F/A 18E one in FY 2006 and three in FY 2008.
As a result some air wings will not deploy with an F/A 18E squadron and an additional F/A 18C(N) squadron will continue to be included.
Some USN squadrons still fly the F/A 18C and some USMC squadrons still fly the F/A 18A+.
USS Reagan’s air wing presently has two F/A 18E squadrons assigned.
All S 3B aircraft have been withdrawn from Pacific Fleet air wings.
A two helo SH 60B detachment has been added.
**
Example:
USS Nimitz air wing deployed in 2003 with 14 F/A 18F plus one additional HH 60H and one fewer SH 60 F helos.
The Amphibious ships Bataan, Shreveport, Tortuga & Whidbey Island listed below can carry all manner of the landing craft mentioned above.
Note: Harry S. Truman is a carrier.
Here is a list of ships in New Orleans from this site:
http://www.seawaves.com/hurricane_katrina.htm
Hurricane Katrina Relief Ships
US Navy
USS Bataan
USS Grapple
USS Harry S Truman
USS Iwo Jima
USS Shreveport
HSV Swift
USS Tortuga
USS Whidbey Island
US Coast Guard
USCGC Clamp
USCGC Cypress
USCGC Greenbrier
USCGC Pamlico
USCGC Pelican
USCGC Spencer
USCGC Sturgeon
Military Sealift Command
USNS Algol
USNS Altair
USNS Arctic
USNS Bellatrix
USNS Bob Hope
USNS Comfort
MV Ecstasy (Carnival Cruises) @ Galveston
MV Holiday (Carnival Cruises) @ Mobile
USNS Mercy
USNS Pillilau
MV Sensation (Carnival Cruises) @ Galveston
USNS Supply
Ready Reserve Force (MARAD)
Cape Kennedy
Cape Knox
Diamond State
Empire State
Sirius
State of Maine
Wright
Canadian Ships
HMCS Athabaskan
HMCS Ville de Quebec
HMCS Toronto
CCGS Sir William Alexander