All News and discussions on the Gorshkov in here. By the way can anyone tell me where to find the Gorshkov Saga thread.
Good pics and info on the INS Vikramaditya HERE.
Also the same for the new INS Vikrant HERE
The Arleigh Burke can keep their speed certainly in much worse conditions than the DDX design would.
Time shall tell so we shall see. I have the utmost faith in the design teams working on these vessels and th US Navy program managers and specifications and believe that a reduction in capability over current vessels is not in the works.
If the waves brake over the bow, a) the equipment on the decks will be demaged and b) the speed of the ships will be much reduced. a) appears not to be the problem, because there is not much on the decks. But b) will be a problem.
In those sea states, I believe the speed is reduced in any case.
This is really difficult to belief. The hull of the DDX appears to be a step backwards in regard to the seaworthiness.
Water breaking over the bow is not a sea worthiness issue with a tight, stable ship so much as it is a personnel issue. Perhaps the new design does not envision the necessity of personnel out on the bow deck in those conditions.
As I stated, I would bet that the design is going to be tested rigorously and will end up being extremely sea worthy in all sea states…and be able to travel with the any of the carrier, amphibious, or surface strike groups they are assigned to.
They better check and re-check the sea keeping qualities of this design before they spend 20 billion dollars on a ship that can only sail through calm waters.
They have already built a 1/4 scale model of the vessel and have been testing it for some time. I believe we will see that the sea keeping qualities are very solid and that these vessels will hold together just fine in the worst of sea states.

The DD(X) is very impressive but I think it’s a shame that it doesn’t have more minor warfare capabilities such as a larger hanger for more helicopters and maybe a vehicle/boat deck for USMC Expeditionary Fighting Vehicles like that found on the Danish Absalon class.
Well, it’ll carry two Seahawks and one or more (probably two) UAVs. As to the well deck, I believe the US already has more than sufficient well-deck capability and will maintain it with the San Antonio class.
Thing is with the new cells being bigger it will allow for bigger SAMs. There is speculation that CGX (or whatever they’re calling it) will have ABM (and thus probably antisatellite) ability. Add on solidstate laser CIWS and a HyFly derived antiship/land attack missile and it’s going to be something to reckon with.
Oh yes. Those PVLS will carry not only the new tactical and land attack crusie missiles, but also evolved sea sparrow (four paks I believe) and the standard missiles. The DDX will be more limited in the AAW area, but the CGX will clearly be extremely capable in that regard, probably including, as you say, up to ABM and antisat capailities.
CGX will most likely just be a DDX with slightly different electronics and weapons load out.
Good comments. Sort of like the Spruance was the hull design for the Ticos.
My guess is that there will be twelve of these babies. The Long range bombarments capability of the two 155mm guns, the 80 PVLS cells capable of Tactical Tomahawk IV and the Advanced Land Attack Missile, as well as a lot of Evolved Sea Sparrows, will make this a signifcant high tech, forward looking vessel. The tech developed there will be critical for other programs and the CGX will follow right along.
Here are some pics:




INext month we’ll show this year’s UNITAS exercise featuring ships from the US, Argentinian, Uruguayan, Spanish and Brazilian navies! Stay tuned! 🙂
From:
http://www.worldwideaircraftcarriers.com



The A4M Skyhawks, if outfitted with good weaponry, are an effective strike tool…capable of significant strike at sea capability. You just need a few good fighters to protect them and the carrier.
Tough and precise questions…Regards, Hammer
Thanks…intersting. I believe the PLAN will launch the Varyag in some operational mode within the next 2-3 years.
They seem to be talkning to everyone that will host them about operations.
The Brazilian Navy is one of only three nations to operate current, conventional carriers with catapaults, the Sao Paulo.



I agree………..seems like the CVF’s are larger and more complex than other STOVL Carriers. Yet, they will have the room to be upgraded later………. 😎
I’m anxious for them to cut first steel so I can put them up on my http://www.worldwideaicraftcarriers.com site. They will make an important addition there.
We’re not disagreeing on that point 😉 It’s just my disappointment with the STOVL option speaking, I suppose.
Agreed. IMHO, if they are going to build that large a carrier…they should make it a full deck, CTOL carrier.
Off topic a bit…but….is China about to come out with a super carrier? If so……how long would it take them to train the crew up to an efficient level?
There is still significant question regarding the Varyag (see its page on the worldwideaircraftcarriers.com site). If they do complete it (or build another) they will be many, many years away from developing true proficiency at it against a foe like the US. Against other navies in the region with no carriers, they would be more formidable very quickly.
The disadvantage of the Osprey is that it would be very expensive to develop (compared to an off-the-shelf E-2C). It would nullify a lot of the savings that were obtained by going STOVL and sacrifice performance aswell.
But on a STOVL carrier, the E2C is not available as an option and the Osprey, if developed into an AEW platform, would be a MUCH better solution than the helicopter solutions they now have.,
Pretty lame compromise if you ask me, it certainly complicates the selection of the AEW platform.
I still believe an AEW version of the Osprey would be a good use of that aircraft…as would an ASW version. Both would be prefectly suited for the many sea control STOVL carriers being built.