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    There is quite a lot of info about the flying boat hulls at Greatbottom Flash and Bawdsey Ferry in this thread

    https://www.key.aero/forum/historic-aviation/89291-bawdsey-ferry-pre-ww2-flying-boat-hulls?page=0

    in reply to: Where and when was your first flight? #753878
    WJ244
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    Cherokee six G-AVTK from Southend in 1969 or 1970. 

    I had been a spotter for several years but had never had the chance to fly. We stopped at the airport on the way back from my aunt and uncle’s house and the person selling pleasure flights offered to take me for child price to fill the last seat. My parents didn’t have a lot of money so I was amazed when they accepted the offer and a few minutes later I was airborne and off towards Southend pier.  

    in reply to: Anson C.19 VM351 #754418
    WJ244
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     According to GIFO G-AWSB was registered on 21/10/68 to John Richard Hawke who was better known as Jeff Hawke.
    Many of the RAF Ansons which were sold off at that time landed up with “colourful” characters, some finding their way to Biafra.    

     Although it doesn’t relate to G-AWSB there is an old thread with some info about the Anson disposals here

    https://www.key.aero/forum/historic-aviation/89894-biafran-anson?page=0

    in reply to: Anson C.19 VM351 #754420
    WJ244
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     duplicate post

    in reply to: Blackburn B.2 G-ADFV – anyone know where it is now? #755115
    WJ244
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     This won’t help find the remains but it does explain what happened to the rest of the fuselage and wings 

    http://www.ronandjimsmith.com/books/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/The-Story-Behind-the-Photograph-5.pdf

    in reply to: Beaufort restoration A9-141 #755297
    WJ244
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     There is some information here including a link to a visit to the Beaufort project workshop in 2018  

    https://www.aahcqld.org.au/dap-beaufort-a9-141

    There is also a link to contact AAHC Queensland so they might be able to provide a further update if you send them a message  

    in reply to: Horrific crash at US Airshow #757676
    WJ244
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     A terrible accident. My condolences to the family and friends of everyone who lost their life in this tragedy.

    Thank you for the link to the video which provides a very plausible, easily understood explanation of the likely reasons this happened. 

    in reply to: Looking like the Beverley is in dire straits AGAIN #760641
    WJ244
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     Apologies for the misunderstanding.

     I can appreciate that the cost and work involved in moving any large aircraft is horrendous and obviously there is the follow on costs of restoration and future maintenance which is a never ending task on aircraft which are kept outside. Some just don’t understand that it isn’t simply a case of moving and reassembling the aircraft and then leaving it on a hardstanding to be admired by visitors. It is all too easy for a large airframe to become a millstone around the owners neck.
     When the RAF disposed of the remaining Vulcans some were bought by optimists who had the best of intentions but over time just couldn’t fight the effects of the weather and had to call in the scrapman.

     Museums only have limited funds and resources and modern policy appears to be to acquire mostly airframes which can be kept inside once they have been restored because that is the best way of guaranteeing their preservation for future generations.  
     I take my hat off to groups like Newark, Duxford Aviation Society, Midland Air Museum and others who continue to battle against the weather to maintain large aircraft outside but there is only so much that anyone can take on before it becomes impossible to keep up with the inevitable decay so it is inevitable that some airframes, such as the Beverley, won’t survive.       .   

     Incidentally, as a teenager I worked with the engineering staff and as an attendant at Southend during school holidays as well as being a volunteer and spent many days in the cockpit of XB261 making sure that no one damaged it. Later it was left open without an attendant and suffered badly at the hands of vandals as did Anson G-AGPG.           

    in reply to: Looking like the Beverley is in dire straits AGAIN #760652
    WJ244
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    I didn’t automatically assume that Elvington would take the Beverley.

    My post actually said 

     “Elvington said they declined because it was beyond their resources. That could well mean that they simply don’t have the money or manpower to undertake reassembly.
    If the costs of reassembly were met by contributions they may change their minds”

     Having been involved with the Southend museum when I was younger I am well aware of the corrosion problems that are likely to be encountered with an aircarft that has been outside for so long. The Southend Beverley actually had a large fatigue crack in he fuselage just ahead of the tailplane caused by the wind blowing the fins around over the years and I was told by someone involved in the scrapping that there was massive corrosion in the main spar. The centre of the undercarriage bogies had also completely dissolved due to delamination of the casting and if viewed from above there was just an outside frame from the casting with the axles passing through it. It was a miracle that the bogies hadn’t collapsed completely.

     The corrosion on the Beverley and the CASA 2111 at Southend was attributed to salt air corrosion even though the museum was probably between 5 and 8 miles inland from the coast. Bearing in mind that XB259 has been kept on the coast for a long time it is likely that the corrosion is even worse than the Southend example unless the airframe has been treated with corrosion inhibitor over the years.

     I would love to see the Beverley saved and If there was a proper proposal to move the aircraft to somewhere that had the facilities and finances to undertake restoration and then display her I would gladly donate a few pounds as that is all I can afford. Realistically this is unlikely to happen and the loss of the engines has made the project even less attractive so the future doesn’t look great.  

     Mark – If I remember rightly you were involved in acquiring the surviving sections of the Southend Lincoln which was a prime example of a complete but neglected aeroplane that went through several owners and was gradually parted out for spares mainly because no one wanted a complete Avro Lincoln (particularly a much modified one with a Lancaster cockpit). Unfortunately for the aeroplane it was worth more as parts than it was as a complete airframe but hopefully the surviving sections will make a useful contribution to a restoration in Australia.      

                

    in reply to: Leisure Sport Sopwith Camel Replica G-AWYY circa 1977 #760825
    WJ244
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    I may have photos of the Camel at White Waltham after the Leisure Sport replicas displayed at Farnborough (can’t remember the year) and possibly photos of it when the replicas were on display at Southend when Harvestair were looking after them which would have been around 1980/81 at a guess.

    They are buried in a huge box of photos but I can try to find them if they are likely to be of help.

    in reply to: Looking like the Beverley is in dire straits AGAIN #760827
    WJ244
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    Elvington said they declined because it was beyond their resources. That could well mean that they simply don’t have the money or manpower to undertake reassembly.
    If the costs of reassembly were met by contributions they may change their minds BUT ideally the Beverley needs to be inside to prevent any further deterioration and I don’t know if Elvington (or any other museum) has the hangar space available for indoor display.  

    There was a time when we had two Beverleys in preservation and a third outside the RAF Museum (which the museum didn’t own) and now the future for the sole survivor doesn’t look great.  

    in reply to: Looking like the Beverley is in dire straits AGAIN #760863
    WJ244
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    As far as I remember the original plan was to turn it into an air bnb. From memory I think that included disposing of the engines and other modifications so it appeared that comparatively little of the Beverley would be left in which case it isn’t really surprising that few want to contribute to transport and reassembly costs.
     If there was an attempt to raise funds for transport and reassembly as an exhibit at Elvington that might persuade more people to contribute but unfortunately when everyone’s finances are being stretched it isn’t the best time to be asking for donations. 
     I must admit I was sceptical about the conversion to an air bnb in the first place. The inside of the Southend Beverley wasn’t the most pleasant place to be on a hot day and after the museum closed there was a plan to turn the Southend aircraft into a restaurant which foundered on health and safety grounds even in those days.  

         

    in reply to: Shackleton WR963 to move from Coventry to Elvington #760865
    WJ244
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     Will be sorry to se Coventry disappear but glad to hear that WR963 will be saved as I had feared that we might lose another Shackleton to the scrappie simply because moving a large aircraft costs an awful lot of money. Best of luck with the move (when it happens) and I hope things work out well at Elvington.

    It can’t be a good situation for Midland Air Museum either although they are well established and there are other museums who survive without being attached to an airfield so they should be ok.   

    WJ244
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    Good to see this one restored. I remember the fuselage arriving at Southend on the back of lorry with various other Spitfire sections in the late60’s / early 70’s when Bill Francis owned it. The lorry was unloaded outside Ladi Marmol’s hangar and apparently the sections were kept outside under a tarpaulin until Bill sold them on again.  

    in reply to: Spitfire P8727 G-AHZI "Josephine" #760948
    WJ244
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    Thanks Sopwith and I suspect Avion Ancien has got it about right. The one positive thing about the lack of decent threads is that I no longer spend 2 or 3 hours a day on this forum, time which I should have been using to do other things. 

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