I have posted my views before and agree pretty much with Bruce.
I think it is reasonable that the provenance and the extent to which an aircraft is new build is documented for future purchasers so that everyone knows what they are buying but we have to accept that nothing can be composed entirely of the original parts which left the factory decades ago.
In theory the car world adopts similar practices although there are some cars around with rather dicey provenances and there are currently debates about some cars which acheive lap speeds far over those possible in their heyday thanks to modern bits inside old engines ( a practice which shouldn’t, in my view, be allowed where the sole aim of the new bits is to increase power output to the huge detriment of originality) but having said that there is rather less chance of someone recovering the remains of a long lost Ferrari or Jaguar D type from the Russian tundra or the bottom of a lake so maybe the car owners have an easier time monitoring the provenance of their pride and joy..
I agree that there are times when commentators are a pain in the behind to enthusiasts but we have to remember that airshows rely greatly on the oridinary public to make up the gate numbers and the public expect to be entertained. Most of Joe Public expect to hear a commentary at airshows. True many of them then don’t bother to listen even though they may not have a clue what they are looking at unless they have bothered to listen to the commentary. It is also handy to warn people of the approach of a paticularly noisy display act. I remember once at Biggin Hill I was literally knocked off my feet by the shock of a noisy unannounced arrival by a couple of F-104’s on a high speed pass. God knows what it did to people who weren’t used to aircraft noise.
It should be comparatively easy for commentators to say their bit when aircraft are positioning for the next pass. That way the enthusiasts could get to hear the aircraft and the lower noise level during repositioning would mean that the public could hear the commentary as well but I don’t see that happening any time soon at the big displays.
One problem is that some commentators seem to be in love wioth the sound of their own voice. I remember doing a couple of seasons as paddock marshall for a karting club where I had to use the same PA system to talk to the paddock as the commentator used for race commentary. I tried to let him put over the excitement of the first couple of laps of a race before I interrupted to call the next lot of competitors but he still complained that I interrupted his commentary. I did eventually suggest that a simple solution was that he kept the PA system all to himself but as this would mean I couldn’t call people to race he would have to commentate on an empty track all afternoon but even that didn’t suit him.
Just looked at the dispaly list and would love to go again but a hernia op last week means I can’t even make the end of the road at the moment. Pleasure flights in a JU52 or AN-2 and the Caudron Racer from the states have got to be the icing on the cake.
The owner of the Caudron was hoping to come to the UK and was planning an appearance at Old warden so lets hope that happens.
A very generous donation which should not only see Sally B over her immediate problems but hopefully contribute towards her long term security as well. I hope they are able to repay him with a flight at some point which would be small recompense for the money involved.
I have been with AOL since I first got internet about 4 years ago. everything was fine at first but ever since AOL was sold by the original owners the service has been pretty naf. Their revised software crashed my computer so badly on two occassions that I had to get a computer shop to rebuild windows for me at £80 a time. the only compensation I got from AOL was a reduction in my monthly fee when I asked for my migration code so that I could leave. After a few months they reduced my level of service to the level everyone else gets that pays the reduced fee so my compensation was almost non-existent.
If it weren’t for the fact that changing provider seems to be fraught with problems and can involve some time with no service at all I would take my custom elsewhere tomorrow.
I have been with AOL since I first got internet about 4 years ago. everything was fine at first but ever since AOL was sold by the original owners the service has been pretty naf. Their revised software crashed my computer so badly on two occassions that I had to get a computer shop to rebuild windows for me at £80 a time. the only compensation I got from AOL was a reduction in my monthly fee when I asked for my migration code so that I could leave. After a few months they reduced my level of service to the level everyone else gets that pays the reduced fee so my compensation was almost non-existent.
If it weren’t for the fact that changing provider seems to be fraught with problems and can involve some time with no service at all I would take my custom elsewhere tomorrow.
You have some great models there. I have a great interest in all air racers ( unlimiteds, goodyear/Formula One and pre war) and accumulated a fair number of kits in varying scales but have landed up buying diecasts as my eyesight isn’t good enough now to make kits to a decent standard.
I think all the options have one big disadvantage and that is weight which is going to degrade the flying performance. At best it is likely to need to fly faster to stay in the air and have a higher stalling speed and even less gliding performance than normal. At worst it may be that it will too inderpowered to fly at all.
I would tend to leave it alone and go with the factory finish particularly if you are a novice flyer.
Don’t know if they use the same method for The FE2 but years ago the Gunbus replica G-ATVP was at Southend to do some filming for Candid Camera and they had a sort of sock with a rope on it that they put over the end of one pop blade and pulled the engine over from outside the cage of rear struts. It looked the safest way of doing it but on that particular day the engine was very reluctant to start so a lot of climbing in and out all the struts and rigging was needed.
The FE2 looks superb – now if only the second one could find its way over here. I am sure it could be found a good home possibly in the Biggleswade area?
In the past few years Shuttleworth have launched both their Eon Primary and the English Electric Wren using a bungee. The Eon looked to have a similar gliding angle to a brick but there didn’t seem to be a shortage of volunteer pilots willing to have a go. I am hoping that the Eon will get towed behind the cub at a display so that I can get a better idea of its true gliding performance.
Another web search for Portsmouth airport turned up a site which says that wet grass had caused several accidents culminating in the two involving the Channel Airways 748s and that as a result operating restrictions were placed on the runway which meant it was difficult to operate viable services from there. As a result in 1971 the council decided to close the airport as it was making a loss (reported to be £9000 for 1970).
It does seem to be fair comment that the accidents were the catalyst which led to closure. I am pretty sure that Portsmouth had a reputation for being boggy and if the council had invested in a paved runway then it would have continued to be viable.
After the loss of the 748s I think Channel may have continued services into Portsmouth using Herons. Channel did try some innovative routes particularly within the UK and from what I remember they had mixed success. I always thought that the main problem which beset Channel was the anti jet lobby at Southend. In the 60s it was planned to lengthen 33/15 to take jets and Channel was going to operate BAC 111 and Tridents from the airport. The plans included major work to move or lower Warners Bridge which goes over the railway but it did mean that the approach and take off paths were over the less heavily populated areas of the town.
Thanks to some rather short sighted money grabbing a few years ago whcih led to the closure of 33/15 to sell off land for a trading estate the current expansion plans at Southend have to focus on extending or removing approach obstacles for 06/24 which has flight paths over the main population areas. Needless to say there is currently a heavy anti aircraft lobby doing their bit to halt the plans but amazingly none of their letters in the local press have acknowledged that it is only thanks to the 60s anti jet lobby that the airport is forced to develop what could be viewed as the wrong runway.
Just maybe if the 60s expansion plans had gone ahead we would still have Channel Airways together with a thriving airport and a great deal more employment for the area.
According to a site on the web the two 748 accidents occured on 15 August 1967 and the airfield didn’t close until 1973 so it doesn’t look like the accidents were a major cause of the closure. I may have got things in the wrong order here as it was a long time ago but I think Channel Airways got round the problem by acquiring some early mark Herons to use for services to the smaller airports like Portsmouth. I think the 748s were rarely full anyway and I imagine that a Heron was a safer bet in terms of operating within the limits of the runways at some of the smaller airports.
Jamie This isn’t the original newspaper report but it does give the full story of the enquiry. The first two scans are top and bottom of the same page.
The newspaper has almost disintegrated after 40 odd years but if you want better scans please send me a PM and I will try to help. I have also put all 3 scans in an album on the forum. If you click on my user name you can access the album and I think it will be easier to read the text from there.
[QUOTE=Transportraits;912805] They also managed to severely bend two HS 748s on the same day at different airports!
The 748’s were actually both bent at Portsmouth on the same day and I think the cause was attributed to lack of braking on wet grass. I am pretty sure that one of them was badly damaged when the crash / recovery crew tried to move it by looping a hawser around the fin which very neatly took the fin off!.
Thanks Roger. Am I right in thinking that the Bleriot is now hung from the roof at MAM. I am pretty sure it was hung when I came to a Rochdale Owners Club AGM at the museum a couple of years ago.