The problem is that the tooling costs for a new model are huge so Corgi have to choose something which can be produced in several colour schemes without major alterations to the main moulding tool.
It shouldn’t be a problem to change props or U/C legs (provided the attachment points are similar but anything which requires major changes to the wing or fuselage means the expense of investiing in a second moulding tool.
This is why Corgi have for the most part played it pretty safe with their choice of subjects. It is nice when they turn out versions in unusual colour schemes but in my experience some of the more unusual colour schemes (like some of the A&AEE aircraft) haven’t sold particularly well. I think this is a shame but I suppose most collectors just seem to prefer the main service versions rather than the oddballs.
Thats a new one on me.
I assume the implication is that the stock has been impounded in the UK which doesn’t seem very logical. If the shipping wasn’t paid then it would never get put on a boat in the first place.
There has been lots of juggling going on this year by the new management simply because they inherited an overambitious release programme which would have resulted in far more product out there than the average collector could ever afford to buy. This would have led to the usual situation of excess stocks which would have been dumped soon after release at unrealistically low prices.
To combat this problem some models have been delayed until next year and some which had received very poor orders have been dropped altogether, which make sense as there is no point in making something if collectors don’t want to buy it.
The new management approach seems to be to produce only the quantities of each model for which there is a demand and to cut the number of releases so that collectors can afford to buy every release if they wish.
This new approach seems very sensible and Corgi have turned some of their attention to other sectors of the toy/model market so that they can maintain profits. Let’s hope it all works out.
By the way the above refers to the Corgi ranges in general and not specifically to the aviation archive models.
The U/C error with the Halifax could be due to a communication problem between Corgi and the Chinese factory. I was told by Len Mills when he was in R&D at Corgi that the problem is the Chinese copy exactly what you give them.
I remember when Corgi made the first model of Sally B in 1/144 James Chilton, who was then Corgi marketing manager, proudly showed us a preproduction Sally B from China on the stand at the British Toy and Hobby Fair. I told him it looked very nice but asked him why it had four checkered cowlings at which point he looked very confused and got a bit panicky when I explained the error. He called over Len Mills who explained that the chinese factory had just copied the design for all four engines assuming they all matched and that it was being rectified on production models.
It is possible that somewhere along the line the Chinese factory was given the wrong info about the Halifax U/C and have just copied what they were given BUT Corgi should have picked up the error particularly as they used to claim that all models were checked by a panel of experts/enthusiasts before production went ahead.
Not sure what you mean about Ixo. I must admit that they have sometimes chosen to model some unusual subjects but at least it means that we get something a bit different from the other ranges.
I also thought Witty Wings / Sky Guardians were getting better. The Sea Fury in particular seems a great imprvement on earlier releases although I did notice that G-FURY was made without the smoke generators on the wingtips and I am not sure how long the aircraft flew without them.
According to a Corgi newsletter released this week there has been a great deal of discussion regarding the model of Friday the 13th and as a result the model will now be finished in the wartime operational livery of this aircraft and not with different markings on each side as it is now displayed at YAM.
I also notice there are comments a little earlier on this thread about prices being reduced a while after models are first released. This was bcause the old owners of Corgi were over producing and then selling off unsold stock to save warehousing costs.
The price cutting has been going on for a long time and became self perpetuating ie many collectors got wise to the fact that if they didn’t rush out to buy the new releases they could pick them up a while later at considerably lower prices. The policy was operated for the whole Corgi range (not just aircraft) and was very short sighted and has resulted in many dealers virtually giving up on Corgi because they got sick to death of being stuck with unsold stock that they couldn’t shift even if they reduced it to the original trade price and tried to move it on at no profit just to get the money back to reinvest in different stock.
Plenty of dealers told the old Corgi management that they couldn’t carry on indefinitely making mugs out of the dealers or the collectors who bought models at full price on first release by selling the overstock off cheap literally weeks later in some cases but they wouldn’t listen
The new management at Corgi have said that they will monitor production quantities much more closely and it does seem that they are even cancelling models where advance orders from the trade are very poor rather than produce unwanted stock and land up selling it off unrealistically cheap just to save paying for warehouse space.
This is the sensible way to ensure the future stability of Corgi and should mean that, from a collectors point of view, the models shoulld appreciate in value over time so should a collector need to sell up or wants to change theme it may be possible to at least recoup the majority of the money originally invested in a collection rather than find the collection is virtually worthless because your prized models were later cleared out by the manufacturer at a huge discount.
Let’s hope the new management get it right and we can look forward to a stable market or retailers and collectors in the future.
Maybe some of you don’t feel any sympathy for the retailer but remember many of the smaller ones have invested every penny they have ever owned in their business and need to make a profit to live. If I were still in that situation I would be extremely unhappy with the way the old Corgi management marketed what is, for the most part, a good quality product.
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Mark 12 The pictures are great and thanks very much for rekindling a very old memory.
I can probably give you an exact date for the display but it means a trip into the loft to find my old spotters logs but when i am up there next I will try to dig them out.
I don’t think any of the participating aircraft landed partly because they ran a motorcycle sprint and I think kart races on the runway for most of the day.
I have got the programme for the sprint somewhere and last time I looked at it i was surprised to find some famous names from the sprint world including Alf Hagon and the works lambretta record breaker Marlene Parker amongst the entry so it must have been a fairly high profilre sprint meeting.
The two seater is exactly as I remember it and I always believed it was TE308/ G-AWGB but it is nice to be sure.
As a very enthusiastic 12 year old I was very disappointed to find that the two seater was the only film aircraft on the ground. The others flew in to display and departed again without landing (presumerably to Duxford). I have probably got lists of the codes somewhere which would help a bit with ID’s but was just curious to know exactly which aircraft I actually saw.
I was also lucky enough to see Heinkel 6J+PR (G-AWHB) with Spitfire G-AVDJ and the Psychedelic Monster when they flew over our rugby field during a refuelling visit to Southend. As home and school were less than a mile from the runway and right under approach the view was great.
Also saw the mass formation on the way to film in France – a truly unforgetable sight even though they were fairly high over Southend.
Since we are on the subject of the Battle of Britain Film. I pestered the life out of my dad until he finally agreed to take me to RAF Debden display in 1968 which included a mock dogfight between some of the film aircraft. There was also a 2 seat spitfire in the hangar (presumerably G-AWGB / TE308).
Can anyone help with a confirmed ID for the two seater and possibly ID’s for the display aircraft (which I assume operated out of Duxford) as well.
Mark12 You obviously know your Spitfires. I notice someone else suggested you were educating the youngsters. As today is my 52nd bithday I don’t think I quite fall into that category. One of my biggest regrets is that we didn’t have such an active vintage aviation industry when I left school as we do now. As a school leaver I was told my only chance of an aviation career was to join Hawker Siddeley at Hatfield and nailing Tridents together didn’t really appeal. I was and still am more of a wood and canvas aviation nut. I think it had something to do with being able to understand the structure having built (and crashed) a good few Keil Kraft kits in my youth.
Thanks for the post but I had already found that article. What I can’t work out is which aircraft was named Slick. I suspect it was actually Minnow but I am not 100% sure.
While both articles I have found on the web and the Charles Mendenhall book The Air Racer give a fair bit of information I have yet to find anything which gives the full story of Minnow and Miss Cosmic Wind (the last one built by Le Vier Associates) nor have I been able to work out exactly how Filly (G-BAER) fits in.
Mark12 I am not a Spitfire expert but are you sure it is MH434. I always understood that the same codes were often carried by different aircraft at different times during filming and some carried different codes on each side.
I found the following on a previous thread on this forum which gives an idea of how difficult it is to identify the 12 flyers used in the film from photos although obviously there are some distinct differences between marks which help narrow them down.
Also what makes you say that image 3 is a GRP replica? Please don’t think I am saying you are wrong it is just that I thought you may have some information that I don’t know and it is always nice to learn.
SPITFIRES
Identity Codes Serials
AR213 AI-B, AI-C, AI-G, AI-N N3311, N3312, N3314,
CD-B, CD-C, EI-E N3316, N3322
P7350 AI-A, AI-E, BO-H, CD-C N3310, N3312, N3316,
CD-G, CD-H, CD-M, DO-M N3317, N3312
EI-C
AB910 AI-C, AI-D, AI-F, AI-J, AI-H, N3312, N3313, N3315,
AI-M, AI-N, CD-D, CD-F, N3318, N3319, N3321,
CD-K, DO-M, N3322
BL641 AI.B AI-D, AI-O, CD-Q, N3313, N3315, N3318,
DO-M, EQ-D N3323, N3327
BM597 NIL (Replica mould master) Nil
EP120 AI-B, AI-N N3312
AR501 AI-B, AI-C, AI-E, AI-G, AI-J, N3311, N3312, N3314,
CD-J, CD-K, DO-A, DO-G, N3316, N3317, N3318, DO-H, EI-Q N3319, N3320, N3324,
MH415 AI-A, AI-C, AI-D, AI-E, AI-H, N2210, N3310, N3311,
AI-M, AI-N, AI-S, CD-A, CD-B, N3312, N3314, N3315,
CD-F, CD-H, DO-H, DO-K, N3317, N3319, N3320,
DO-M, EI-G N3321, N3322, N3328
MH434 AI-A, AI-D, AI-E, AI-G, AI-H, N3310, N3312, N3313
AI-K, BO-G, CD-F, CD-H,CD-M, N3314, N3315, N3316,
DO-N, EI-H N3317, N3319, N3321
MK297 AI-A, AI-B, AI-H, CD-A, CD-B, N3310, N3311, N3314,
CD-E, DO-A, DO-B, DO-H, DO-N N3317
EI-A
MK356 AI-R N3328
MJ772 AI-D, CD-H, CD-N, DO-H Nil
TE308 AI-E, CD-A, CD-D, CD-F, CD-J Nil
CD-K, CD-O, DO-H, DO-K, DO-L
DO-S, EI-A, EI-J Nil
RM689 AI-A, AI-J, AI-M, AI-N, BO-B, CD-C, N3310, N3311, N3313,
CD-J, DO-B, DO-D N3318, N3321
RW382 AI-G AI-H, DO-L, DO-M, EI-G, EQ-G N3314, N3316, N3317,
N3320
SL574 AI-A, AI-E, EI-A N3310
SM411 AI-A, AI-B, AI-S, DO-R, EI-M, LC-M N3310, N3311, N3323,
N3329
TB382 AI-A, AI-C, AI-H, AI-P, BO-H, CD-A, N3310, N3316, N3317,
DO-A, DO-L, DO-M, EI-A, LC-A N3320, N3321, N3323,
N3324, N3370
TE311 AI-C, AI-M, DO-H N3321, N3324
TE356 AI-C, AI-P, DO-M, EI-C, LC-C N3312, N3324
TE384 AI-E, AI-H, AI-L, AI-P, AI-Q, DO-L, N3314, N3315, N3316,
LC-F N3320, N3323, N3324
TE476 AI-B, AI-F N3311, N3320
PM631 AI-E, AI-H, AI-L, CD-F, CD-K, DO-G N3314, N3315, N3316,
DO-N N3317, N3319, N3320
PM651 AI-S, BO-S, DO-N N3317, N3320, N3329
PS853 AI-E, AI-G, AI-M, CD-C, EI-K N3314, N3316, N3319,
N3321
PS915 AI-R N3328
LA198 AI-G, DO-C N3316, N3317
HURRICANES
P2617 MI-C, MI-S H3426, H3427
Z7015 F, L, MI-A, MI-D H3418
LF363 F, MI-A, MI-D, MI-H, KV-C H3420, H3421, H3422
LF715 Nil (Replica mould master) Nil
PZ865 H, MI-CMI-D, MI-G, KV-A, KV-M, H3421, H3423, H3424
OK-I
RCAF 5377/G- D, F, MI-A, MI-D, MI-F, KV-B H3418, H3421, H3423
I believe the only two seaters used on the Battle of Britain film were G-AVAV and G-AWGB. I think G-AVAV suffered an in flight fire whilst being flown by Connie Edwards before the move to France to finish filming so it looks like G-AWGB is the most likely candidate.
EN398 is actually MA793 which was/is owned by David Price. US registrations are NX930LB previously N930LB previously in South Africa as PT672 ex SAAF 5601 and prior to that it had originally been delivered to 6MU on 21-7-43 and then passed to the USAAF in Casablanca.
MK297 was damaged by fire in the fire at CWH in 1993. It was previously with the Confederate Air Force from 1986 as N9BL previously N9BL and N1882*. Prior to that it was our old friend from the flight magazine ad in another posting G-ASSD which was ex OO-ARD, Belgian AF SM43, Netherlands AF H-55 and H-116.
* I am a bit suspicious of the US registration N1882. I believe that all the Spitfires used in the Battle of Britain film were given fictitious N serials so I think it likely this is the serial number carried for the film although it is possible that this was subsequently used as its US civil identity.
The info for MK297 and EN398 came from http://www.supermarine-spitfire.co.uk.
The other bits are from memory.
I think it will prove difficult to identify the other B of B film Spitfire unless someone reads this who worked on the film and has a very good memory.
As a spotter at Southend from the late 1960’s I remember that the first thing the ground crew did once the engines had stopped was fit a prop under the rear fuselage to stop the aircraft sitting on its tail when the cars were unloaded. the loading and unloading was usually accompanied by loud creaks and groans (which could often be heard clearly from the spectator terrace) and a series of lurches as the CG sorted itself out.
Occassionally someone forgot to remove the tail prop after loading and the Carvair was pursued down the taxiway by a van or lorry carrying someone to unclip it.
It wasn’t completely unknown for them to take off with the prop still in place but apparently it banged around so badly in the slipstream that it was best to do a quick circuit and land to get it removed.
They don’t make aeroplanes with character like the Carvair anymore.
Sorry folks I seem to have caused a bit of confusion here. The Mosquito measuring job for Revell was several years ago now and the resulting kit has been and gone. I think it was 1/48 scale but I am not 100% sure as I never did get to see one.
I did get a nice Revell pro-modeller T Shirt (my other half reckoned this just proved her suspicions that I have always been an old pro of some kind) and some other bits and pieces but the real bonus was that I got to spend a couple of days clambering over Mosquitos at Hendon and Salisbury Hall (and I know which of the to I would prefer to revisit if I had to do the job again).
I also got Ed to visit Old Warden for a Saturday evening show just to make sure he knew about real aeroplanes (I knew him through being involved in selling scale models of mainly racing cars) but it turned out he was well into old aeroplanes anyway and couldn’t believe that he had never heard of the Shuttleworth Collection.
I visited Salisbury Hall several years ago with a friend who is new products manager at Revell USA and we measured the Mosquitos for a Revell kit and were made very welcome.
We were told that the ex Liverpool Corporation TT35 was being surveyed with ultrasound to find out if the glue was good enough to make it viable as a flyer.
What happened? – Was it an impossible job or was it simply a lack of money.
According to my ancient copy of Wrecks and Relics the Swinderby Mosquito was TT.35 TJ138/7607M now at Hendon. I believe there is a brace to go across the wing aperture when lifting a Mosquito fuselage and I think this particular Mossie was snapped in half at one time because it was lifted without the brace being fitted. The repairs are said to be visible if you know where to look.
The Vampire was T11 XD506/7983M. I did a web search and this is now shown as being with the Jet Age Museum.