So…. A culture of Political Correctness is preventing historic British fast jets from appearing at airshows? That has to be one of the single stupidest things I’ve ever read on here.
“It seems (to me at least) civil types tend to be under represented compared to less historic military types.”
Yup! Even the Viscount at East Fortune has gone into hiding, and was never fully assembled on site. As per #19 it was stored outside in that blue shrink-wrap for a while, and the wings were also stored outside without any covers for a period of time. It has all gone indoors again, but isn’t part of the museum display at all.
Re #26, is there a common consensus on drug culture in UK airfields at the time? Assuming that the drug aspect of the story is true (which it isn’t, necessarily), not all drugs would have reduced Meyer to a vegetative state, incapable of even walking out to the aircraft. Some drugs floating around back then might even have countered the effects of the alcohol to some degree. From what I gather there wasn’t a lot of cocaine usage back in the ’60s, but I imagine pilots would be generally more interested in speedy amphetamine-type drugs that allowed them to push the envelope, rather than the sort that make people lethargic and sit around contemplating the pyramids all day.
There was a thread on PPRUNE about a year ago on the dangers of flying over water. Having read it at length, I can see an inexperienced pilot putting an aircraft into the sea without even knowing he was at risk of doing so; especially if he had imbibed and/or was focussing on all the other aspects of keeping a Herc in the air. Pilots on PPRUNE discussed losing altitude over a calm sea without noticing. Wasn’t Meyer also flying in the dark?
I tend to always favour chaos over conspiracy.
Ultimately, for me, the shoot-down theory suffers from the fact that it is always 2nd hand information that is being relayed. Somebody spoke to somebody who was based at airfield X when aircraft Y returned minus a missile, etc. The exact same style of narrative has all sorts of aircraft supposedly buried all over the country. It is never coming from the guy with the photos of Westland Whirlwinds being buried in the quarry, or the guy who did the digging; only the guy who stood next to him in the pub thirty years later. Maddening, but consistent if nothing else.
Perhaps a silly question, but would the presence of the undercarriage, as recovered floating on the surface of the sea, indicate that it was down when the Hercules went in rather than retracted?
This exploration might sail into some bother quite quickly no? The Internet informs me that there is a chance that this aircraft was shot down, to avoid any diplomatic issues were the Hercules to have plowed into French terrain. However The Internet reckons it might have been a Hunter wot done it, or maybe a QRA Lightning or even a Sabre. Some journalist reportedly saw recovered wreckage with “bullet holes”!
This seems a bit like another shaggy dog story. Apparently the pilot had a drinking problem and received a Dear John from his wife, who he already had a tempestuous relationship with. This is all ancient history, so is it really worth going to locate the wreck in a bid to ascertain whether it was shot down or not? What is to be gained here? Also, is it not a bit cheeky to call it ‘Meyer’s Hercules’ when he nicked it?
Re #2 and “built (…) at a budget price (and with ‘semi-skilled’ labour in many cases).”
I’m sure I saw a wartime photograph on here a few years back, of a pilot leaning out of a cockpit window of a Lancaster or similar. The fit and finish of the rivet work around the window was somewhat erratic. Definitely an element of ‘close enough’ about the whole thing. Speaking of which, this is the closest match I can find:

However I’m not sure this is the exact photo.
Per usual, the citizens of Orkney and Shetland get left out the loop.
Did it have her map of central Pacific islands in the glove compartment? :highly_amused:
I would hate for it to be static anywhere else.
The area around Wolfheze appears to have, in part, been planted up with forestry at some point. There isn’t a lot of wide, open fields. Young forest plantations might bring debris to the surface, but the ground might have also been quite heavily worked to plant the trees. If they’ve planted stands of coniferous species then the soil will also be getting more acidic over time.
There is a nice 2D representation of a Horsa glider here: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.0089222,5.7954107,3a,75y,152.83h,86.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4GvlHxCdxUVJzzWXfh0aTQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656.
The field in which it sits has some paler areas, as viewed on Google Earth. This might correlate with poorer crop growth, indicating soil contamination. Having had a drive around, again thanks to Google, there appears to be areas of what appears to be raised bog as well to the South West of the town. There are a lot of Google ‘Street View’ panoramas of this area, called “Wolfhezerheide”, and again it has paler patches when viewed on Google Earth.
I appreciate the chicken for scale.
Yawn. Conspiracy wonks sniping away, pretending to be academics. Everybody likes a good potboiler I suppose.
My local gift/toy shop has a copy of ‘Amelia Earhart (Little People, Big Dreams)’ in the window. This is one of a series of books designed to inspire young girls to aim high… or fly an aircraft into the void and then have weirdos arguing about non-evidence 80 years after the fact. :applause: They also have a book on Marie Curie who… ya know… actually achieved her goals.
Some people are far too easily offended. Ironically enough these people are probably the first to suggest others are too easily offended. :rolleyes:
A cracking shot! I’m maybe in the minority, but I actually like the design. I’m also impressed by the restoration work, given the photos I saw of it at Snibston Discovery Park a few years ago.
DC-3/C-47B-1-DK/Turbo Dak C-FTGX came into Edinburgh earlier. Some lovely shots up on Facebook and (for once!) I saw it with my own eyes.
Built in 1944 and still working for a living in 2018!!!