Can the rear doors on either a C-119 or C-82 be opened in flight? I’ve seen photos of paratroops jumping from both via smaller side doors, and images of both on the ground with the rear end of the fuselage opened up. Presumably the part of the camera ship we can see in the photo is one of the tail booms? If so, from where was the photo taken? Apologies but I’m sitting here with a Birra Moretti entirely failing to get my head around the logistics of the photo. :very_drunk:
Don’t be so touchy man, I wasn’t directing anything at you in particular.
Try some joined up thinking and don’t quote one of my posts verbatim then. :applause:
This is the scenario where forum dwellers really ought to try joined up thinking. Save something by actually getting of ones **** and throwing in some dollar.
Apologies for obviously triggering you. In future I will endeavour to get of (sic) my **** (sic) and throw in some dollar (sic) rather than commit the cardinal sin of having an opinion on the Internet.
The point of a discussion forum is that opinions are shared and things are discussed. This forum seems somewhat unique of the few I visit in that a fairly large, somewhat toxic corner of the membership want neither discussion to take place or opinion (especially dissenting) to be shared. Case in point the Cranfield Lightnings thread last week; the thread starter was roundly chastised and told to simply conduct their research elsewhere. If that is the case, why bother with a discussion forum at all? :highly_amused:
Those old aeroplanes will continue to decline, what are YOU doing to stop that happening?
I’ve donated to aircraft projects and museums/collections, but that is largely irrelevant. I’ve thrown some dollar at various projects. My name is written somewhere on that Shackleton at Coventry, to name but one. Your argument here is about as cogent as those who counter criticism of a musician or actor with “well, can you do any better?” Is it imperative that one has to be the shining example of something before one can criticise others carrying out similar work?
Gumtree?!?!?! I’m sure he was beating away offers with a stick. :highly_amused:
While I appreciate that you can’t save ’em all, there is still something mildly frustrating about a historic aircraft that has gone from being a flyer to a dismantled heap of parts. Especially given that another Twin Pioneer was bought and parted out purely to keep this one a flyer.
Inverted image sounds plausible:

As per: The second production Avro Vulcan B1 XA890 – Media Storehouse
Nice to see the clean(er) lines of a B1 Vulcan.
Remarkable to think that the P-3 Orion still flies, as derived from this original design. In fairness the last Orion came off the production line in 1990. Something to be said about the endurance of the design however, that it was sufficiently ‘future proofed’ in 1957 to provide a solid platform for maritime patrol duties long after it ceased being usable as an airliner.
I’m still annoyed with myself for not persevering longer in the queue to get on board an Orion at the Maltese airshow this year.
Hello Mothminor,
Not that one! I was aware of the cockpit in the D&G museum, just not the wreckage next to it!
Again from memory, the Classic Air Force 2nd example was stored indoors rather than simply under cover. Also from memory there was an example of one in the deep storage at Cosford?
Hello Iain,
Thanks for the ID of the second Twin Pioneer. The photograph I recall seeing showed little more than a cockpit in some sort of shed or outhouse. I don’t think it was stored in Coventry but somewhere else.
My Google Fu is letting me down today.
Shame to hear that the Twin Pin is going to be turned into posh camping. I’d heard that it was to be shipped to Ireland and be restored back to flying condition. I think that Classic Air Force had a second Twin Pin in storage as a parts mule for the first. I’ve seen one photograph of one in storage that backs this up.
In the back of my mind I always thought it would be great to see a Twin Pin fly at the Prestwick Airshow, to show off the local talent a bit!
I’ve never seen these before, but I like them. There is a nice mix of rough ‘folk art’ and attention to detail. Who was manufacturing them, and where did they get the metal? Were these built by pilots from metal recovered from scrapped aircraft, or anything as romantic as that? I’m only thinking this because the manufacturers have honoured some fairly obscure types, so I’m wondering if these were made by airmen for airmen perhaps? Presumably metal was somewhat scarce, or at least had some more important applications in post-war Australia.
There was some mild drama on Facebook about when the AN22 was going to leave Prestwick, and where it was flying to! It snuck out at 7:30 in the morning and passed near Edinburgh, though I neither saw nor heard it.
To put a historic slant on it, this video of it landing at Farnborough in 1988 is both impressive and hair-raising.
The hangar in the background of the photo in #29 looks a lot like the hangar shown in the right hand side of OP’s photo. I can’t match the hangar with any that are part of the Solway Aviation Museum these days. Have they moved site, demolished hangars etc?
I suppose ‘Cranfield’ and ‘Carlisle’ look somewhat similar. If you had a busy season zipping around the UK in 1989 photographing aircraft then you might think the photo was taken at one when it was taken at the other, especially if you waited a while to develop the film. If OP’s photographer also photographed the Lightnings at Cranfield then he probably put together all sightings of grounded/parted-out Lightnings as ‘Cranfield’ for 1989.
Wots FlyPast? :highly_amused:
On balance, fair enough! I didn’t realise that Bolingbroke remains were in such abundance. J Boyle, I hope you’re pleased I created another opportunity for you to get your oar into Spirfires. :applause:
I have a soft spot for Blenheims. When I was a boy my mother took me to see a flypast of one at Stirling Castle. I think the flypast was to honour Harold and Frank Barnwell, our local aviation heroes. A bit of research tells me that this would have been L6739 which was…. a Bolingbroke dressed up as a Blenheim. :stupid: I have a photo somewhere of the flypast, and the Blenheimbroke (I’m copyrighting this) has a long nose, which I gather was replaced after an accident. I’ve since seen L6739 display at East Fortune.
Very interesting, and very close to home. I had a friend who lived in Findo Gask, or at least the housing estate ‘Clathymore’ that appears to have grown out of nowhere. It was quite an odd and isolated part of the world. I don’t recall seeing the tower when I was there, but I wasn’t looking for it at the time.
I’m not sure why anything needs to be added to the tower. Why not simply restore it and paint it white? I’m not sure if this is a Scottish phenomenon or a British one, but it isn’t the first time I’ve seen an interesting building extended with an unsympathetic grey metal/glass box tacked on like this.