Darryl Greenamyer’s hopes and dreams, buried deep beneath the ice? :highly_amused:
Very few capital projects have as much impact as a sustained house building process, the private sector makes money from this and the high price of suitable land in the South makes old airfields very attractive prospects. This also will apply to former Army estates and my local Fort George has accessible areas of flat land in use as firing ranges which will be probably housing in 20 years time.
Presumably airfields are also attractive because somebody has already done the hard bit of levelling the ground and running services into the area? Is there a big demand for housing around Inverness?
I remember when my Brother in Law was working at Luton airport, they put a computer in his office. He never turned it on.
Saying that if someone wanted to tell him something, they knew where to find him.
Hopefully he has long since retired? I don’t understand the mentality that beyond a certain age you should have carte blanche to stop learning or developing your skills and actively take pride in rejecting any changes and improvements brought into the workplace. I’m speaking from bitter personal experience, at least in part. I find this all especially amusing as this forum celebrates technological achievement and innovation, albeit fizzling out somewhere around 1965. In the case outlined above this steadfast aversion to technology has potentially hurt a museum that would benefit from the donation of a relevant aircraft part and, as such, I have very limited sympathy and patience for anybody that just doesn’t “do” computers.
I will now get back to smashing up this loom. :rolleyes:
Please note I said material from China Lake, not at China Lake.
Big difference. As others have noted, the parts and aircraft are scattered to many locations, but most of the came from China Lake at one time.
Ok! But to get back to your initial post, if you are looking for a ‘less expensive and easier ways to get a Superfortress static display’ then look no further than the basketcase statics I listed above. These airframes could potentially benefit from whatever is recoverable from Kee Bird, China Lake or wherever rather than try and recover a popularly discussed but difficult-to-recover wreck and get it back to display condition.
A myriad reasons. It might be better to ask here for a specific contact at a specific museum. The cynic in me thinks that email addresses are listed on websites sometimes because it is a basic element of website design to have a link there. I’ve been configuring an interactive mapping system recently and only just noticed the ’email’ link at the bottom of the page. It points to a spurious address that nobody in my team will ever see.
I send a lot of emails that never get a response. My advice is to pick up the phone!
I’m surprised that the document is titled anything as bold as ‘A better defence estate’. Likewise the Scottish public sector is looking to sell or lease assets, dressed up and promoted as the creation of a leaner, hungrier workplace and workforce (with the prerequisite fewer staff) able to do better things with fewer resources. In both cases it looks a little like asset stripping to keep the lights on; the power of spin! I also find it odd that the MOD document mentioned housing policy by name. I would assume that a lot of these sites would be turned into housing anyway, but actually citing housing demand and listing build figures reads a little like Private Eye’s Desperate Business cartoons. Why not simply state the X hectares of land up for grabs?
To single out a specific example, I’m not sure closing and flogging the land at RM Condor is going to benefit the people of Arbroath in any way, and building a housing estate there is certainly not going to solve any socio-economic issues unless they imagine Arbroath will become a satellite for Dundee or Aberdeen in the future.
Sadly not, but presumably this is all above board and not a request to slyly half-inch parts from displays while nobody is looking? :highly_amused:
I think there are less expensive and easier ways to get a Superfortress static display.
I’d think there are still various fuselage sections left over from China Lake as well as other projects.
I’m not sure there is much left at China Lake of any serious restoration merit. I think the best Superfortress material was removed years ago, and spotters/collectors soured all relations with China Lake in terms of access to the site. There will be some seriously fragmented B29-like material there, but there might as well not be given the relations there!
Conversely you have B29s on display in the US that would benefit from restoration and rebuild work, hiding in plain sight. 44-27343 is on display in an erroneous all-white paint scheme, and is missing all turrets and blisters. 45-21748 and 44-87627 are both on outdoor display in sub-optimal condition; the former with a dull all-over grey scheme and the latter with corrosion and hurricane damage. They could do with the work, but for some reason people only ever talk about Kee Bird and The Lady of the Lake.
Sad to see Fort George on the list.
The presentation of the airframe could be so much better too. It really deserves its own ‘hall’ where it could benefit from massively improved lighting and (lake-bottom?) setting, possibly featuring interactive lighting and sound effects…
…and fish? :highly_amused:
That corner of Hendon did baffle me. There was a pink Bucc, the Halifax, and a difficult-to-see Anson fuselage sitting on a Queen Mary. Struggling to find a common theme or purpose to that corner of the collection.
“This sand will be used to help make a major project at Dover harbour.”
Maybe they plan to hire out soil sieves to aviation buffs for £100 a day? Basically a children’s sandpit for adults of a certain persuasion. They could employ a few forumites to sit in a portakabin, gamely sorting the variously sifted finds into one of three categories: ‘aviation’, ‘non-aviation’ and ‘will it be at Legends?’.
I hope the RAF Museum Halifax is never restored; it is far more effective as an exhibit in its current state.
I understand that side of the argument entirely, but how about removing the brown-orange preservation substance that was put on the airframe post-recovery? From memory it looked like it had been hosed down with a coat of Creosote. The true colours of the aircraft must be there under the inconsistently-applied Creosote layer? There must be a better preservation medium available now? It would be akin to restoring an old painting.
Is there any reason material couldn’t be taken from the Hendon Halifax? I’ve not seen the YAM replica, but in photographs it looks suitably grand both in scale and presence. The Hendon example looks like it was pulled out the swamp and dumped unceremoniously, lacking both the scale and presence that the YAM machine seems to capture (regardless of the direction of the props or the Blue Peter-esque appointments). Combined with Hendon’s low/stark lighting and fairly cramped setup I personally feel that their display doesn’t utilise such a rare exhibit as best it could. Perhaps combining it with other parts to build a Frankenstein’s Monster of a Halifax isn’t the answer, but I do feel that something a lot more creative could be done with such a valuable asset. Removing the orange preserving crud might be a start?
What tools did you have to use to get through the teak-reinforced crates?
‘The Tank War’, Mark Urban, Abacus publishers. Ten pounds, 99 pence.
Does that make them Urban myths then?