TeerThanks for the detailed post, Teer. Very informative.
BTW, is there a reason why 18 batteries of Spyder are being procured. BR shows that there are currently 8 squadrons armed with Gecko. So why this stress on short range defense??
18 batteries, roughly translates to 9 squadrons – each with 2 flights ie IAF parlance for two batteries. This is roughly equal in number to the Geckos, which are due for being phased out from 2014 anyways. This is presuming the media reports of 18 SpyDer “systems” are batteries.
More-over, since you mentioned that at its peak, IAF operated 60 Pechoras batteries, will they currently try to go up to the same levels with the newer systems?
Regards,
Ashish
Good question. At its SAM system peak, the IAF had around 30 Pechora squadrons and it also demands a question, why so many! The answer lies in the quixotic ceiling imposed on combat squadrons by the GOI at 39.5, which the IAF sought to compensate for by inducting so many SAM units.
Now, lets tally up the orders – the IAF aims to induct equal numbers of the DRDO MBDA Maitri SHORAD, has ordered 2 squadrons of the Akash already with 4-5 more probables, aims to induct 9 squadrons of the Barak8 based MRSAM.
Add up the requirements for a national ABM grid, and you can see that the technical manpower taken up by the Pechora’s easily have new taskings.
(And not to mention the Barak/MRSAM follow on – there are longer ranged versions on the drawing board as well).
TeerI don’t know about the MKI but MKM ECM/ESSM suite are one of the best in the world, surpassed only by F-16I.
I wouldnt take that as a given to be honest. FE, how does the MKM suite compare to the DASS/Praetorian? Or the Spectra? Or the ELISRA suite on the F-16I? Or the Integrated ECM package w/FOTD on the F/A-18 E/F….the list goes on & on…even the MiG-35’s integrated Elettronica Jammer may be equal or superior…we simply dont know, at this point of time.
My point was simpler – the MKI has a reasonable EW fit at this point of time, as pointed out by third party eval, as the Elta 8222 equipped MKIs can theoretically pose a severe challenge for BVR ARH missiles, as evidenced in exercises etc. The same jammer is used by Israeli AF F-15s. Is it perfect? No – I’d think not, as the jammer is pod mounted (eg fatigue issues with constant carriage in peacetime), expensive & I’d prefer an integrated solution. But on discussing this with the “people that matter”, it was pointed out that the MKI is already so full of electronics that its easier to have a podded jammer and deal with much lesser EMI/EMC hassle.
I would’nt go so far as to say that its “the best” or “just second” to the F-XX or EF-XXX or whatever. As far as the IAF is concerned, it apparently gets the job done & thats enough for them.
I also do know that India is developing its next series of ECM suites for airborne application & these have a very modern architecture. I anticipate that these will be available for carriage as well, in pod mounted fashion.
FWIW.
Teerare you referring to the EADS/DRDO MAWS as mentioned in the report below ?
Yes indeed. There is a fighter specific variant intended for the IAF’s fighters underway. The original system itself with LWS +R118 (which acts as the command & control unit for the entire Defensive Aids) has been tested and cleared on the Hack (the LCA Avro testbed) & is being produced at Alpha Bangalore, for the IAF’s Choppers & Transport fleet.
Ok, even the news report corroborates this:
The sensor has been sold in more than 5,600 units across the globe and is in service aboard a huge variety of rotary wing and wide body aircraft, a version of fighter aircraft is under development.
Isnt this newspiece from the Bonn ILA airshow last year?
TeerKaveri is all political, each times a manufacturer offers a core engine, the indians says “we want to do it by our own”, so at the same time they are late!
showing flag is all around, nothing is realistic till industrial issues aren’t taken seriously
What are you upset about? The Snecma project is going through with GTRE, but it wont be for the LCA, but for future combat aircraft.
Thats been known for quite some time now. The operational engine for the LCA Mk2 is a choice between the F414 & the EJ200.
TeerCain Marko
You asked about the MKI MTOW & Weapons Load.
The confirmed figures are: 38.8 T and 8T. Empty weight is there in some IAF info board, but I dont think I have archived that.
TeerNo IAF didn’t tell me that ,but people who follow Indian air force will know that , it seems you have no idea about jaguar production in India more then 20 Brand new HAL built jets have been inducted in less then 3 years and around same numbers are less then 5 years old last Jaguar airframe inducted in IAF been late 2008 ,last airframe of Mig-27 was delivered to IAF in 1997 almost 12 years ago , MMRCA will be replacing Mig-27 so only Avionics upgrade was carried out on Mig-27 while Jaguars got new Avionics and will also be getting New engines
I have probably forgotten more about the IAF than you ever knew to begin with, so leave the posturing at the door, heh.
Now.
Get this straight – I was talking of the series Jaguar production vis a vis the MiG-27 production, and if you compare those, not the 37 DARIN-2 new builds, you’d see they follow similar timelines.
Furthermore, in IAF experience the MiG-27s are sturdy birds & where they are really lacking today is in terms of powerplants which have a ready solution in sight, given India is producing over 920 AL-31 FPs, and probably the same number of AL-55I’s which make it entirely viable for HAL to extend a production run for other AL-31 derivatives.
Finally, one more point – the MiG-27s India license produced were from Irkut – yes, thats right, the same factory which is now IAPO & which was the MKI lead. The gentleman who was in charge of the MiG-27 license production? A certain Mr Alexey Fedorov. You know what he led after that? The Su-30 MKI program. Know where he is nowadays? He heads this tiny little organization, called UAC.
http://www.uacrussia.ru/en/corporation/top_management/president/
You know when the AL-31 re-engining story was first reported? 2003. As the IAF being interested in the upgrade.
Still think the MiG-27 re-engining offer came because the Russians had nothing better to do?
Please.
Point is that the IAF has given it some thought & might go for it, if it needs to.
TeerWhat struck me as ironic is how Teer attacked the MIG-35 suite by arguing that future Indian (co-developed with the west) products would be more capable yet at the same time he (?) points to MIG-35 being a unoperational paperish product vs the SU-30MKI. So when appropriate for the sake of his position the term paper product is used both in a negative or positive sense.
You know Signatory, when I posted that about the Avitronic suite, I was just stating the facts.
Kudos for your hissy fit and for fixating on that one throwaway line in the entire post.
Additionally ironic since HAL just recently bought the ‘MKM suite’ for the Indian military Dhruv’s. And India is also getting components from that kit for the APS suite on T-90 tanks. Another brand new contract. So there they buy operationally ready products to protect lives while the MKI is waiting for a clearly-better-than-MIG-35-product due to come sometime… somewhere.. some day.
But let me add some facts – that will rain on your nice little parade and the oh-so-nice SAAB webpage which you have so diligently copied to your harddisk, and then uploaded to image shack. Boy o boy, it would be easier to actually talk to procurement officers who do this stuff – but then again, I dont think you ever get to do that, do you?
India did not purchase the “MKM suite” for the Dhruvs. They just took the LWS & MAWS component as an interim fit for the time being, but have chosen to invest in the superior EADS hardware which has better operational characteristics & is going to be serially produced in India with Indian software, by Alpha Technologies Bangalore. The Dhruvs dont have the Avitronics RHAWS component, FYI.
http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-Defence-Weekly-2006/Farnborough-Air-Show-EADS-DARE-unite-for-missile-warning-system-development.html
http://frontierindia.net/eads-and-dare-developed-aircraft-missile-warning-system-to-enter-serial-production-in-india
This system, FYI, is already tested and has been cleared on India’s trials aircraft, the “Hack” and will enter service first with the most vulnerable platforms, namely the transports. A fighter derivative is to be inducted on all the Indian AF’s frontline, in service fighters.
In what should make your nationalistic cockles rejoice, the LWS component may be retained for the overall suite. Its pretty much in line with whatever is current nowadays.
Furthermore, I didnt “attack” the Mig-35 suite – I merely pointed out that it is – even in terms of set goals- inferior to the already in service MKI. If I do purchase something today, that has to come into service some 4-5 years from now, I’d rather it beats whatever I already have, for a $ 10 Billion investment.
As my points show, in almost all criteria, the MKI is either ahead of the MiG-35, on par, and where it is lacking, there is a clear plan to incorporate those capabilities.
Lastly, how is the Avitronics suite inferior to the EADS/DARE MILDS AN/AAR-60? Quite simply – modes. The MAWS on the Avitronics simply does not offer optimum detection performance for certain forms of missile guidance. As of early this year, SAAB were still working on it, and claimed to have a solution in sight. India chose to go with a product which had better operational performance to begin with & which in actual operational trials, has validated their choice.
Quite simple.
For an “interim” fit, they chose whatever was available off the shelf, that was the Avitronic suite, and only for the choppers.
PS: I didnt claim that the MAWS on the MKI made it superior to the MiG-35 either – kudos for missing that point as well. I merely pointed out that the MiG-35 avionics suite is by no means as advanced or ahead of the MKIs nor is it certain to remain so, given current plans.
PPS: The above post is not meant to be a slight on Sweden’s capabilities etc, lest you miss that point, yet again.
TeerMKI-standard avionics would be a downgrade for the MiG-35, not an upgrade. The latter’s OLS is of much better quality, and it includes an integrated targeting and designation pod in the OLS-K as well as LWRs and an all-aspect optical MAWS. The Zhuk-AE radar, meanwhile, gains the inherent increased difficulty of interception, increased range, better clutter rejection and beam steering (et cetera) advantages of an AESA type over the MKI’s N011M. The MMI of the MiG-35 will also be a considerable leg up, with much more digitisation in the cockpit (compare the two: Su-30MKI, MiG-35).
Sorry, but you are wrong on almost all counts here, as you are comparing a paper type to an operational aircraft which is adding more & more capabilities year after year.
The NIIPP OLS on the Mig-35 may theoretically be of a newer generation than the OLS-30 on the MKI- but it doesnt bring any substantial improvements in range or capability bar the integrated TV channel. That capability is nowhere high on the IAF’s list of priorities.
In terms of radar, the Bars already outperforms the ZhuK AE stated yet to be achieved design goals in terms of several key KPI – I am not going to go into details, but the Zhuk-AE’s only clear advantages will be in terms of MTBF thanks to its AESA Tx/Rx. While it will be “newer technology” – operationally speaking, the Bars MK3 is every bit its equal, and in some respects its superior, while falling behind only on weight/volume & MTBF.
The LWR/MAWS on the MiG-35 will have an equivalent counterpart on the MKI which is in the works – the DRDO is waiting for a development program to finish with a foreign OEM which fields state of the art hardware in this respect. The system will clearly be superior to the MAWS on the MiG-35. As a datapoint, the Avitronics suite as on the Su-30 MKM is considered behind whats being developed for the IAF’s fighter fleet.
In terms of digitization, mere pictures of the cockpit displays dont show anything. What matters is actual ease of use, sophistication of operational symbology et al. In matter of fact, the MKI is superior to all other in service Su types bar similar derivatives such as MKM et al, which I presume would have received the same tech. Fact is the MKI uses symbology & display tech which combines experience via the Mirage 2000 & Jaguars as well. This was one of India’s key contributions to the program & incidentally, India is supplying the display processing component for the MKA as well. Furthermore, the Russians state sensor fusion is being incorporated on the Su-35 & it will be the “first” to have it. Earlier Su’s only integrated the IRST & radar data but the RHAWS was left out.
If that is not enough, then lets see this – the French MFDs in the MKI are being replaced by new SAMTEL/DRDO ones. Not only is this for making the display component local, but they have another advantage, unlike the French/Russian displays, they can split images, ie with integrated processing, they screen can offer different operational displays at the same time, like the good old PIP (Picture in Picture) capability on TVs.
India’s latest MKIs have the locally developed DRDO R-118 RHAWS- one of its functions is to act as a central data fusion device – the MFDs will display sensor fused tracks. This system along with the DRDO HADF pod is actually superior to the L-150 Pastel fit the Russians have for Kh-31 P acquisition and targeting.
That apart, India’s MKIs have locally developed mission computers which are in matter of fact superior in terms of processing power versus the earlier gen BTvSm 486’s which even the MiG-29K et al field, in terms of processing. While both earlier relied on legacy 486 processor cards, the Indian MC’s have moved ahead.
While the MiG-35 on paper, has a superior ECM suite built around an integrated & pod mounted Elettronica jammer which should outperform the Elta 8222, this is still not definite by any means. One is that India is currently in an advanced stage of development with its next generation of DRFM equipped ECM suites which can & will in all probability, be available for pod mounting. Not to mention, that Israel has been offering both high power stand off jammers & FOTD suites for Indian fighters. They might have already been acquired but we’ll get to know only in the coming years, as EW is one of the IAF’s most secretive endeavours – they are displaying legacy 1980’s acquisitions –now, f.e. Remora jammers for the Mirage2000.
That apart, its the sheer capabilities being added to the MKI & the integration with the WCS are on different scale altogether vis a vis the MiG-35 which is still in development.
The MKIs are already ops with the Litening 2 (no need for the OLS-K there, given the Litening is by far superior), plus they have Elta 2060 P capability – these are just few of the things the IAF has revealed about the MKI.
It will well nigh take at least five years of dedicated work before the baseline MiG-35 gets the abilities the MKIs have today – not to mention more & more systems are being added to the MKI on a continuous basis.
F.E. – if the MKIs original Polyot datalink was not enough – all IAF fighters including the MKI will now also receive a high speed/ high bandwidth, tactical datalink. A far cry from the legacy Russian systems available worldwide which have speeds in kbps – functional, but definitely not optimal for strike imagery & growth potential & the like.
And this is the current MKI – we already have several reports over the past few years mentioning that the IAF has been offered a variety of options for the MKI upgrade over the past couple of years, and they are working on a definitive fit.
The bar vis a vis the MiG-35 will only rise higher.
TeerZero, thanks for the detailed post. Saved me the trouble. 🙂
Anyways:
I don’t know, Austin. I would LIKE to believe that. Yet, Vayu is not exactly written by your every-day run-in-the-mill journalists. Hence the concern.
Earlier, it had been suggested that first a small order and then a larger order is the default procurement pattern of the MoD.
Has there been any news of another order for Akash?? If so, when can we expect it??
Regards,
Ashish
Misraji, but Vayu can be every bit as confused at times as the regular media. It is just that some times, it gets some good material.
Anyways, FYI, the initial order of the Akash is for 2 squadrons. Orders for some 4-5 more are expected once the initial squadrons are delivered over the next couple of years.
Given the IAF’s substantial investment in its aircraft fleet, they can afford to go slow(er) on SAMs.
People unfortunately forget that a typical SAM squadron used to soak MORE engineering resources than a typical fighter unit. While they are more on par now, with the induction of progressively more sophisticated fighters like the MKI, which are choc a bloc with electronics too…the point remains.
The IAF will seek to stagger its inductions to match its engineering resources. What people forget is that purchasing things is one thing, operationalizing them, another altogether.
You have to also understand the scale of SAM & fighter inductions, in the next decade, the IAF aims to overcome almost the two decades of pre-Kargil lag in modernisation.
Some 18 batteries of SpyDers are being ordered, equivalent numbers of the SRSAM being codeveloped by DRDO & MBDA will follow thereafter.
9 Squadrons of the MRSAM between DRDO & IAI (Barak-8 derivative) will be also acquired from 2012 onwards.
Then there is the ABM system for which the IAF has to earmark manpower & resources for.
Please remember that at its peak, the IAF Pechora units had 60 firing units – can translate that into 60 batteries. The SpyDers & MRSAM will go towards replacing the Gecko firing units.
Now add up the numbers of MRSAM, and you will see that there are still substantial numbers to be made up & the Akash still has a role. Note another thing – the IAF is taking delivery of no less than 30 DRDO Rohini (3D CAR derivative) radars, initial orders were seven (now you can dovetail this with the original Akash plans) but once the radar was trialled, the IAF upped this to 31 systems! The 3D CAR – of which the Rohini is a more capable derivative, is the long range acquisition sensor for the Akash.
So the logistics are in place, and more Akash squadrons definitely seem feasible.
TeerIAF is not interested in Mig-27 Engine upgrade at all ,AL-31 powered Mig-27 loaned to Russia did fly last year but IAF is not that keen on Engine Upgrade while Avionics and System upgrade is in full swing ,Jaguars which has newer airframes will get a New engine since it is gonna serve for more years then Mig-27
Did IAF representatives involved in the decision making process personally tell you this?
If not – then I would hold off in making categorical statements such as “IAF is not interested in MiG-27 engine upgrade at all”.
The point is that the Russians are not idle fools to spend own time and resources on this venture.
They were clearly informed or were made cognizant of the fact that the IAF was interested, even if tentatively, in such a venture, hence their effort to demonstrate a workable solution.
Let me state something more – most of these OEMs worldwide are VERY clued in to IAF RFP’s and tenders – many of these are available “unofficially” even before the MOD officially states them. Sometimes it is via the legal route of the MOD informing them or the IAF stating its interest, or sometimes its because for “certain reasons” – the IAF/services details are made available beforehand.
Let me give you one example – remember Dassault’s offer – from nowhere, of 40 odd Rafales to India, attempting to preempt the MRCA. Everyone thought it was ludicrous & made no sense. Then the IAF asked for 40 more MKI’s. Clearly, Dassault had got to know of the IAF’s interim purchase options & attempted to get the Rafale in.
Similarly, I would invite you to look at when the MiG-27s were produced in India & when the Jaguars were, before stating that the latter have newer airframes and will remain in service.
The MiG-27 is a very robust bird. Its problem is of legacy support which has been made up in part by indigenization, but if an engine upgrade allows the IAF to extend its service life by a decade, the IAF will definitely look at it.
TeerThere may be more MiG-27s upgraded. For one, lets take a look at other information. The RWJ – ie Radar Warner Jammer program, by DRDO which is well underway & in trials, and which fields a very capable state of the art system, able to handle many air to air, and ground to air, threats, including fire control & surveillance systems.
The specified operators for this capable, expensive, system, including derivatives, are the MiG-27, the MiG-29 Upgrades and the LCA.
Furthermore, we know the 40 Upgraded MiG-27s (already upgraded ones) received the earlier Tempest ECM package. Not the RWJ. Ergo, it does seem possible that the IAF intends to upgrade more MiG-27s, and if so, it may actually be interested in an engine upgrade as well, as the original turbojets are definitely getting long in the tooth. Acquiring an AL-31 based powerplant makes ample sense, given the huge investment & infrastructure that has been set up for the AL-31 FP production in India – just take a look at pics of the Koraput AL-31 complex to get a scale of the endeavour.
Furthermore, there have been comments by senior decision makers of the IAF that the entire fleet will be upgraded – while this may have been dismissed as hyperbole in the past, we do now know that it does seem true. Practically everything in the IAF – from AN-32s to Jaguars et al are receiving a long overdue MLU.
For the Jags themselves, we are now at DARIN-3– with the DARIN-2 program for 40 legacy and 37 newbuilds over.
I would postulate that an AL-31 reengining of the MiG-27 is entirely possible, if the IAF gets funds for it, and if there are any slippages in the MRCA schedule.
TeerHe he – besides which the LCA trial dates were March & the Rajasthan report is from a month back.
One matter of fact, upbeat report about the LCA & the Pakistani contingent is here in a few seconds trying to hijack Lokes honest queries.
The insecurity and the identification with being reflexively anti India is amazing.
TeerEven lighter than the Gripen NG (empty 7 tons, MTOW 16.5 tons)
NG will be 7.7% heavier in empty weight and MTOW 22% higher… if both companies can deliver according to current spec.
Note that these figures are projected design aims keeping in mind current LCA weight & projected powerplant.
The actual figures may vary but not by that much.
Are people optimistic that this can actually happen by 2012?
The ASTE is reasonably optimistic. (ASTE is the IAF’s “captive” test flight establishment) given three factors, current experience of the LCA team, available funds, and overall program support (both local & international).
In each of these parameters, the current LCA status is a far cry from even a decade back. However, series production is likely by 2013-14, as it invariably takes a couple of years for any mass production run of a definitive variant to commence and the final specs to be frozen.
When will they start produce the current LCA? Or has production already started?
L
The LCA MK1 is under production with the LSP underway. Forty of the type are being made, followed by some five-seven squadrons of the MK2.
Interesting thing to note, in the weapons trials above f.e. is the OAC usage. This is the latest integrated Open Arch mission computer mentioned in the article posted above, and its operational on the LCA MK1.
TeerDon’t talk to me like that. Tell me where States like Orrissa Chattisghad etc are
For crying out loud, did you even have geography lessons in school? I mean this is beyond pathetic. Not only dont you NOT know where these states are located, you even misspell their names.
Its Chhattisgarh – note the H. Its Orissa. Note the single -R.
And yeah, its bloody offensive for you to spout about states which you cant even spell properly.
And the original point was about how ineffective the Central Govt was in even acknowledging the existence of this problem, as documented by Shivraj Patil’s antics. Which you could’nt even address.
Goes to show the credibility of your claims, apart from vehemence, you really bring nothing to any debate whatsoever.
TeerPlease number out the options we have ? Like Blocking Karachi port ? It will antagonise America and they may intervene because their shipments to Afghanistan go through the region.
Why dont you research these options yourself? Or do you want each & every thing to be discussed publically? Whose purpose does that serve?
UPA came to power because majority of the public is not that concerned about accusations like being soft on terror. Like akj pointed out only a minority is really affected by terror strikes and all that. In a country of a billion it will never be a big issue like it was in America. The people would vote for the party who will do more for the common people. The UPA government has broken fresh ground with their rural employment guarantee program and other pro poor measures. That is worth more than any national security interests for the majority of the people.
Absolute nonsense. The public is concerned & has been concerned, its just that they dont see much difference in A versus B, given the former also couldnt deliver completely.
You are again showing your totalitarian side.
National interest for a democracy is always the interest of the majority of the people. And not born out of pride of a minority who wants to glorify the nation and project power.
You know, some classes in logical reasoning would help. If I was touting the power of the majority, then I would be totalitarian. Instead, it is you who is extolling the same, and then resorting to ad hominems.
Dont make a fool out of yourself.
Protecting a nation has little to do with projecting power or glorifying it – it has everything to do with common sense.
A government which has been voted back in for stability and continuity has to protect and safe guar exactly that. More people would suffer in the economic conseuquences of a war alone than from any terror attack that has ever happend here.
Stability and continuity are not guaranteed by regular terror strikes which bring economic engines to a halt. Logic fail 101 again.
And again, nobody’s advocating war. It is you in your quixotic lack of ability to discern what is being talked about who is going on and on about it.
I will say this again. Military is just a tool at safe guarding the naiton. It is there to serve a represtnative government. Its interests must be the interests of the government. I am proud of a military establishment that has never stepped out of line. 🙂
You can keep saying it, but it doesnt make it any more true. The military is part of the Govt. I dont know what kind of understanding you have of the national structure, but it is clearly lacking. The military also contributes to the decision making & as far as stepping out of line is concerned, each & everything has a breaking point. If the civil military relationship has to be safeguarded, it has to ensure that the military requirements are also considered. Its called the covenant of trust.
A taxi driver in mumbai compares fairly well to a farmer in rural India. To people who have been benifited by the governments welfare plans.
Dont make me laugh, with this kind of ridiculous posturing & talk about a topic you clearly know nothing about.
If you dont know something admit it. If you dont, then stop talking about it.
A taxi driver in Mumbai is often as pathetically poor and deprived as any farmer, in fact the latter can be better off depending on the state & cultivated crops. You made the statement that only the middle class suffer in terror attacks, and that is clearly false.
Naxalism is tackled wrongly here. In states in the north east the BJP led governments have forumlated millitias to fight Naxals and jail civil right activists. Naxalism exists because of poor living conditions. I hail from Kerala, because the communist government did proper land reforms here after independence the naxal movement died out as quickly as it started. Naxalism can only be tackled socially.
For your kind information, there are no BJP Militias in the NE. The BJP barely has a presence in the NE. The militia approach in India’s centre (FYI) is actually supported by political parties across the spectrum.
As far as Kerala is concerned, you might want to look into the brutal police crackdowns against the Naxalites & the same that occured in WB.
In a democracy the poeple alwyas have the power to vote out a bad government. If and when they do not it is an indication that the incumbent government has done more good than bad according to majority of the people.
Only in theory. In practise, people trade their votes for everything from a glass of liquor, to two saris & a TV.
Now in the case of India this may not have been true a few decades ago but right now it is very much true.
Please.
And unlike you i fully respect the mandate of the people. I will never wish for a military or dictatorial regime that is better than our current democracy.
Stop BS’ing & point out where I wished for a military or dictatorial regime.
I spoke the truth. I am telling you again. Even if another 26/11 happens India will not go to war with Pakistan. What did the NDA do after the parliament attacks ? An elected government has to consider the economic, political and civilian cost of war and not just the mood at the moment.
You can keep telling the same nonsense & you would be equally wrong. Its quite clear I am talking to someone without the basic intelligence to even comprehend the topic and who is acting as his own sock puppet.
The point being made is that inaction is causing more problems as ANY govt, including your political favorite has little else to offer but conventional war with saber rattling, which can create a full blown conflict.
Next time, read what people are saying versus prattling on what you think they are saying, and getting pompous about how superior you are with your love for democracy. In fact, given your lack of understanding of how the democratic structure works, I wonder if you even understand what the term means & how its functioning.
USA became bankrupt fighting vastly inferior forces that too despite being the worlds richest nation. India cannot risk war with Pakistan at the moment. I am sorry. I do believe that in future our time will come.
More political rants without substance & missing the point entirely.
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