etc etc
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Ante –

If you are indeed interested in weights – which I doubt, you will get the answers in MSD Wollens article about the LCA in 2007, available on the net. It will show you the weight reduction achieved between the TD to LSP.

The second article is incorrect – its a weight gain of 1T, ie 1000 Kgs and the author is confused. I mailed the Hindu ombudsman at the time, and he said he would look into it, still awaiting his reply.

Having said that, this will be my last post on the matter and to you for the time being.

I am sorry, but you are absolutely a waste of my time.

I seriously have issues spending my time debating with ANYONE who claims to be gainfully employed but then brags about spending entire days on some egotistical point scoring on the internet.

It would be disgraceful for me to spend my time in such a manner as it would be consider to show an appalling lack of a worthwhile work ethic. Not worth it!

Second – you are clearly not averse to being banned and reregistering with a new IP.

I am.

Good bye.

I read things on forums and resources that come to me and that is that. I don’t care what you think i have written, if you think it is non sense then continue believing so. I am not going to change the way i do things for you or anyone. If i get into trouble or get banned i simply make another id from another email or another ip range if people are playing hardball.

Wow – just wow!

Then i will reply to that. I can be here all day or till a mod bans either one of us/ locks thread etc. Your Tax money, I doubt it has anything to do with it. And I am paid for what I do and they do tax me as well.
You were offering something else I said no these would be nice.
That the sixth standard kid is stupid and should study his lessons better.
It is not give and take when one side is clearly subordinate to the other. The government have full authority to dismiss top brass officers in all armed forces and appoint them. It also can cut the number of service men if it so wishes.
Same line several times makes you boring
Insults and excalamations aside a vast array of threads in this forum deals with disputing the biased statements of manufacturers and developers of fighters.
No you answered totally irrelevent ****e .
hat is only your opinion or belief rather that I am clueless, which reflects on you more than on me. Repeating the same statements (that my perception on the working of Indian democracy is wrong) will not make you look wise. Like I said they are your opinions only.

Ante – you just crossed the line from being a bizarre sideshow to somebody who is totally and absolutely loony.

Sorry, but I am done wasting my time on you.

I admit that I am a fanboy
But i refuse to believe these people who were closely associated with the program and paid to do so on every word they say.

Yes, and we all know what your so called archaeological research would be worth.
After all, if you dont find something great – you will lose your funding.

As for the aviation fuel jibe. Well i expect to see a lot more of dirt ancient coins, and artefacts than they would ever do in their lifetime.

Your statement would be worth something, if we were talking about archaelogy and if you had any achievements to your credit instead of being a noob in a field you have just entered.

In contrast, you claim to know more about aviation versus those who spent their entire lifetime in it.

Logic fail, anyone?

Its not a question of …blah blah…usual Scooter stuff…….

Scooter – in case you still havent got it – you write trash-talk.

No matter how hard you justify your actions, its still trash. Whether you get your kicks, satisfy your urges by running down the Gripen, the EF, the LCA, the J-10 is immaterial. We are all best served by having you on ignore.

Your posts are not worth my time. That was the consensus at the end of the Gripen thread, that everyone just put you on ignore.

Goodbye. Now zip off, kindly.

On Indian elections.

Jobs held none. Have Joint Research Fellowship (JRF) from the University Grants Commission. Experience in several excavations the recent being in Pataliputra.

And obviously, experience in engineering being zilch?

Secondly – even if you were just doing what you stated you were, it doesnt prevent you from doing research on topics you post on.

So far you have written a lot – almost all of which is tripe. A bit of basic research would have helped, or is it restricted to “excavations”.

If my posts are Junk, Kindly ignore them.

If you post tosh, I will rebut it. Its that simple.

My education serves me right, I get University grant which is pretty decent I also get paid for participation in field works.

I am glad to know my tax money goes for such noble endeavors, but frankly- education is meant to open your mind to knowledge besides your field of work.

No some Cheese and Chips would be nice

I am sure your stipend should cover that?

I know the democratic structure. You saying things otherwise will not make it that way.

You apparently dont.

The prattle you wrote is something even a 6th standard kid wont – so what excuse do you have?

The armed forces are under the control of the government. The president is the nominal commander in chief that is all.

Wow -so you discovered this now?

Do you even understand what I am saying?

That the leadership structure between the Mil and Civ sides is dependent on jointsmanship and give and take, and its not a petty order as you want business?

Read, Ante, read.

I am not interested in your perceptions about my level of understanding.

Hissy fit – tsk tsk!

I recall the name Philip Rajkumar he wrote some book about the LCA. It is in all probability inherently biased. But by saying these names i think you are a regular in the BR forums which is a tech junkyard.

LOL – what a joke you are!

The men who would know most about the product are those who BUILD it or OPERATE it – incidentally by your standards, he is inherently biased.

Ante – I would really like to have some evidence about your so called work in archaelogy.

It boggles my mind to see ANYONE who is educated who would make such outlandish comments!

First you fail to grasp what I am syaing and then goes on with your jibe. Such a terible waste.

I grasped what you were saying and I rebutted you. Thin skin aside – apparently you have nothing to offer.

Insults aside you are not the only one who pays Tax money in India. 🙂

I seriously doubt it.

I have yet to come across anyone who is as clueless about the basic facts about India (including the democratic structure) and claims to be a research student, as you have been.

I don’t want to know about LCA after reading biased writeups of Indian fanboys which use it to project their national pride. I will take pride in it when it is actually doing things it claim.

Stop playing the fool, Ante.

The references I noted were from Air Marshal MSD Wollen and AM Philip Rajkumar. Between them, they have several thousands of hours of test flight and organizational experience and headed both HAL, and ADA respectively, not to mention having climbed to the very top of their parent org.

I understood your need to prop up your own ego, and pretend to be of import.

But compared to them and what they do know about the LCA, or aircraft programs in general, I am afraid ’tis you who is the fanboy.

Their little pinkie’s have seen more aviation oil, than you are likely to see in your lifetime. Those are the facts.

Thanks for that, but are there any specific details available in the open domain?

Yes there are. I would suggest using Lexis Nexis’s archival tool and searching for interviews by P Subra(ha)manyam (ADA head) and archived reports in the Deccan Herald.

The text within brackets as some reports use that as his name.

The best report of course on the LCA MK2 was that of the ADA presentation at Aero India 2009, in February. An open report on the same was reported in the Indian Aerospace Industry’s newsdigest.

Also wrt the heavy weaponary, what was LCA’s original requirement and has it gone up recently? Or is it that certain hardpoints are expected to carry heavier payloads now (and hence the strengthning) than what they were meant to originally?

Your latter statement is the correct one. Its a question of payload flexibility. Of course some payload constraints remain – ie you dont load IR AAMs nearest to the fuselage etc.

Though they wont talk about it, I do perceive there is an attempt to see if the LCA can carry EO PGMs in the HaveLite category and combinations therein.

Cooperation with Israel was a very hush hush topic under the previous Govt, now with the UPA having a better majority, this may disappear.

Again what trash including personal insult. I am nearing mid twenties and is a research student. I have voted in several elections. Please don;t use your stereotypical **** on me.

You “is” a research student – on what exactly?

You have voted several times? On what exactly?

Nearing mid twenties – gee, what an accomplishment – jobs held, experience?

Your posts are junk – they are ill researched, poorly worded diatribes.

You need to introspect on your perceived education.

No you do not deserve to be taken seriously.

And you want milk chocolate with that?

Cevilians control the military in a democracy. It is my understanding. You have an aleternate viewe so be it. And as for spieling mishtokes I type so fast I hardly care to correct them. The rest of the insults are ignored as you are continuing to show who is the child here.

Please, please stop talking rot. The more you write, the worse you reflect on the state of education in India today (and I do hope you were educated elsewhere, for we had entire chapters on our democratic structure in standards 6th through 10th).

Nobody “controls” anybody.

It is a fine balance of give and take which is what happens in a democracy.

If you have indeed voted, I wonder if you even understood what voting is.

You claimed, no links nothing. Just like I did earlier and i refuse to believe you.

Links are available via the internet. Unless of course, you havent even heard of AM MSD Wollen or AM Philip Rajkumar.

They are a tad sight more creditable than your youtube, he said, she said stories.

I also confess, that it was an attempt to see if you even knew their names.

You apparently dont.

Which again proves the fact that you next to nothing of the topics you bellyache about.

As always insults are ignored.

No – lets restate that in Ante speak, for Ante world.

“As always, facts are ignored” (note the comma).

Now let me put my comments simpler so that a simpleton like you can understand.

Gracias senor.

What would we do without the research scholars of this world.

The LCA that was first designed was not supposed to have the bells and jingle jangles that the IAF currently want.

This LCA is the LCA MK1.

It is still overweight without the jingle dangle capability IAF wants in the MK2. It is still under powered (the MK1) and that is before flying with a radar.

Wrong.

Read the posts again.

And again.

And again. Till you understand. Second – the LCA has ballast to simulate the radar effect. (Gee, I guess you should have known that too).

Now the MK2 that the IAF want may turn out to be pretty decent, but as of now there is no MK2

Since the MK1 LCA is a vanilla model which was built to original requirements, it being overweight cannot be blamed on changing IAF requirements.

Wrong, again!

What ADA basically did was to run before they kneel and walked. And they are paying the price.

Nobody kneels before they walk. Its called crawl before you walk – and that is what I meant by your poorly phrased incoherent statements.

Never mind.

What ADA did was what they were asked to do.

They did that.

They have been asked to do more.

They will do that as well.

My taxmoney will fund it.

I am ok with that.

“Mid twenties” (cough, cough) “adults” in other nations might feel upset.

Thats fine.

It doesnt matter.

Look at the Chinese, slow progression from tested and perfected designs (which does their job) to complex ones, rather than jumping generations.

India.

Is not.

China.

Second – India didnt have the time to follow the Chinese approach since it lost out on the mid 70’s to 80’s. Which is why the LCA went for the high risk approach.

You would have known this if you knew anything about the LCA. But you dont.

I think this is a good point.
We know that LCA was designed keeping in mind the original requirements of IAF. We know, according to the original ASR, its empty weight was meant to be 5,500kg. Some would say that its is overweight due to modified requirements and some would argue that it is because of extra safety margins. So any idea what extra stuff has gone into LCA compared to its original requirements?

LCA MK1- revised – include a more advanced avionics fit, OBOGs Mk1 and IFR. Main weight gains include a redesigned wing intended to carry heavier weaponry – and no, its not just the R73E issue.

Added to this was the interim powerplant becoming the mainstay with the Kaveri only meeting ~80-90% of original requirements.

Weight gain has been partially offset by a new Unified computing system built around the OAC which replaces the handful of heavy LRUs in the original non open arch LCA structure, but since the Ge404IN20 is NOT flat rated as the Kaveri was meant to be – the overall LCA performance lags in hot and high conditions vs original ASR.

The LCA Mk2 will include a more capable radar – an AESA, the OBOGS Mk2 and a completely new avionics system, built around a CCIP.

Trust this clarifies.