Almost unforgivable negligence here.
Parliamentary panel concerned that Sukhoi-30 fighters have no protective shelters
The Parliamentary Committee on Defence has noted with concern that the frontline combat aircraft of the Indian Air Force (IAF), Sukhoi-30MKI, do not have protection of hardened shelters in air bases which would save them from direct hits of bombs in the event of a war.
http://idrw.org/parliamentary-panel-concerned-that-sukhoi-30-fighters-have-no-protective-shelters/
CAG report is as usual fairly out of date. HAGs able to withstand 1000kg penetrating bombs have been cleared and are a countrywide program.
We recently heard rumour that HAL had been asked to double Tejas manufacturing capacity, which many interpreted as an increase in full-rate production from eight to sixteen units per year, likely accompanied by increase in total number to be ordered. However the recent report stated that the existing production capacity for Tejas was merely four units per year. If so, doubling the production rate would only translate to eight units delivered per year.
Is there any new info regarding current Tejas production plans and FOC status?
Its 8 currently, to be 16 if MOD finances it. Which it apparently will now. FOC is but a matter of time now. The critical aero stuff has been done, whats remaining is avionics + BVR missile + additional weaponry etc which there is sufficient local expertise apart from Israeli consultancy to fix. Main thing is the Mk2. Also, the IAF may now well order more Mk1s since the import candyshop is out of reach for the time being.
“By buying 36 Rafales instead of 126, I have saved the cost of 90 Rafales,” Parrikar said, adding that this amount was around INR900 billion (USD15.51 billion). “We will use this money to buy Tejas LCA priced at around INR1.5 billion each,” he added.
http://www.janes.com/article/51616/indian-defence-minister-draws-line-at-36-rafales
90 Rafales vs 600 LCAs etc – of course factor in local production as well, and even then 4 LCAs for the price of a Rafale. The MOD will save a ton of money by buying 200 odd LCAs.
Straight forward math given how much money will now be available for the Su-30 fleet as well and stuff like force multipliers, PGMs.
And the IAF’s East-West redundancy paid off during the Kargil War, where the IAF’s Mirages were still running fully serviceable (regardless of the MiG issues brought on by the Soviet collapse) unlike the PAF’s sanctions affected F-16s.
Minor nitpick, by the time of Kargil though, the IAF had rejuvenated its MiG fleet with extensive work at IAF BRDs and HAL to make spares and items locally. Kargil had a huge number of MiGs deployed
MiG-21s for CAS and AD
MiG-29 for AD and escort
MiG-23s for precision strike later replaced by MiG-27s (MiG-23s were held back for a full blown conflict)
Mirages had a disproportionate impact due to their range/payload and avionics.
Some of the IAFs work
1999: http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Today/Unit-Articles/336-11BRD.html
Today: http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/iaf-to-spend-rs-400-cr-to-upgrade-repair-depots/82922.html
Also, Indian firms are providing all sorts of import substitution items, dozens of such firms providing items like below:
http://www.pinaka.co.in/indigenization.html
http://www.whirlybird.in/
Even the IAF MiG-29 Upgrade has a fair amount of BRD stuff in it.
Of course todays MiGs are far ahead:
120 odd Bisons have KAB-500 capability, plus Kh-25
40 odd MiG-27s are used for EW and PGM strike can even be designated by UAVs
60 odd MiG-29s have their upgrade ongoing. LGBs, EO bombs, ARMs and AShMs.
Is this for real? What a farce.
Actually this is a pretty rational step & a big step forward for India & Indian aerospace if carried forward.
Right now, the new Govt is grappling with the sheer economic mismanagement left by the decade long rule of termites at the printing press. While things have stabilized, the desire to splurge on new items is typical of the Indian Armed Forces buy today, lets see what happens tomorrow mentality and needs to be changed.
The important things are the MOD frees up – funds for Tejas.
This is the biggest thing possible. The IAF’s greed for imports 24/7 (and they are not alone in this) means that local programs always suffer from penny pinching and their delays are then used to justify further imports.
In short, the Tejas program has finally – if this action is carried out – got a Govt that understands its importance. As versus spinning it a coin every now and then, while putting glowing releases out of how funded it was.
Funds for the Su-30 program. By moving serviceability to the 80% plus level, as has been often remarked, the IAF will literally “add” a huge number of airframes back to their Orbat.
This will also enable the Super 30 program to pick up pace. Its been left waiting because current serviceability challenges (Russian industry is completely unable to meet JIT style logistics or short lead time orders) mean that orders have to be placed in far advanced and local stockpiling done. The Sukhoi guys have agreed and have set up a facility with HAL for this, belatedly realizing that their lackadaisical attitude in this was really costing them a perception battle which was won by Dassault and the western manufacturers who would repeatedly tout logistics when it came to their expertise.
With more numbers available, a bunch can be taken off the flightline for upgrades. The IAF is pretty unhappy so far with the MiG-29 issue (which came on top of the Su-30s). Per reports, Russian OEMs were not supplying spares in time for critical assemblies stalling progress. Finally, it was taken up at the Govt level (read Putins visit). With such stuff going on IAF would be vary of parking Sukhois for upgrade if things went haywire.
In all fairness Sukhoi is more responsive than MiG, which seems to have no control over whats going on with its vendors.
Opens up funds for force multipliers and munitions.
IAF wants 2 more Phalcons, 6 tankers, 3-4 more C-17s. Plus loads of fancy new ammunition etc.
Now that can be funded.
Cuts away Dassault’s negotiating power.
Right now, D has all the cards, the GOI has none. They can ask for and get whatever they want. The original deal had many (deliberate?) loopholes placed in it on the paperwork side so that the GOI was hamstrung by its own byzantine laws. Now, the gordian knot was cut but D got back all the power. By pushing out further orders in the future, the current deal becomes the benchmark for the GOI to judge whether D delivers on its offset obligations and service support. If it does, expect a further order but post 2019 when the economy is on a stable footing. If not, Dassault loses its chance.
A follow on order for Rafales is hence very likely but not soon. I’d state another squadrons worth to make up around 3 squadrons like the Mirages. A six squadron fleet of upgraded Mirages and Rafales with shared items, logistics commonality will be ok for Delhi.
More money for FGFA and AMCA. Sukhoi better deliver on the Su-30 upgrade/Su-30, because it has the mother of all deals now coming up, and lets face it, the T-50 will be anyday superior to the Rafale, despite fan claims to the contrary. Both are literally a generation apart in several performance criteria aimed for.
In short, this rationalization is pretty good news for the local industry & the IAF will now be asked to focus on what matters, getting the Sukhoi fleet and the rest of its airframes all available. Not induct many airframes at extortionate cost and then go back to the exchequer asking for money again and again for logistics.
If this action is carried out, this will be the first Govt to have seen through the sky is falling stuff the Indian Armed Forces trot out to justify more and more new toys, whilst deliberately ignoring less expensive alternatives available locally. They are probably the only ones left in the world which are so import friendly and go out of the way to push for those whilst ignoring the long term strategic aspects of such a policy and the economic impact as well.
The MOD clearly has the numbers at hand about how rapidly the fleet numbers will rise if Su-30 serviceability (currently some 60%, aim is 70% by year end) is pushed for. How rapidly combat power can be restored with larger stocks of munitions (including local programs which can be accelerated if well funded) are made available, and more sensors are made available.
Unfortunately, the IAF has always been led by fighter pilots (bar one exception) and the desire to add new airframes at all costs, sometimes fails the logic test.
In short, the IAF’s combat power is not going to be badly hurt if the Rafale’s dont come through and it undertakes restocking and replenishment elsewhere. Meanwhile, the LCA program will likely get more impetus from the current Defense Minister who knows its importance. The prior one didn’t care a hoot for anything. And his predecessors, less said the better.
The original plan even had two Python 5 missiles at the turret sides. Looks like that was dropped.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-S09lCVQJK4A/T39KPFr08II/AAAAAAAABL4/-agDXQl3PsQ/s1600/DSC00709.jpg
One of the Obama deals
India to develop indigenous variant of AeroVironment UAVs
http://indiandefence.com/threads/india-to-develop-indigenous-variant-of-aerovironment-uavs.52635/
BEL exports stuff back to Israel (their own gear), offsets perhaps
http://indiandefence.com/threads/bel-bags-order-from-elbit.52687/
BEL’s upgraded (with IAI help), Schilka. New life in the old dawg. New LPI Xband radar, internal cooling, new engine, TI sights, FCS etc

The Rohini radar its next Gen AESA variant is in trials while this one is in production for IAF
AMCA team and their head (in shades), Dr Ghosh
Kalyani Group, Rafael form JV to make hi-tech systems for Defence
Published February 19, 2015
SOURCE : THE HINDU
The Kalyani Group and Rafael Advanced Defence Systems Ltd have announced the formation of a 51:49 joint venture company in India.
The initiative will enable the development and production of high end technology systems within the country including a wide range of technologies and systems, like Missile Technology, Remote Weapon Systems and Advanced Armour Solutions.
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Tie-up with Boeing
Our Mumbai Bureau adds: On Wednesday, Bharat Forge signed a multi-year contract with Boeing Commercial Airplane to supply titanium forgings for wing components for the Next-Generation 737 and 737 MAX.
Under the agreement, Bharat Forge will begin supplying pre-machined forgings from its facilities in Pune and Baramati to Boeing in the first quarter of 2016.
Major kinks remain in need of ironing, but are unlikely to be deal-breakers, said sources involved in the talks, though they cautioned that it’s unlikely that the deal will be signed before Prime Minister Narendra Modi travels to Paris in April. However, by that time, some officials who are part of the negotiating process are hopeful that a statement of intent can be agreed upon by both the Indian and French governments for the contract that has been stalled for nearly three years.
The plan is for France to supply 18 fully-made fighter jets to India, with the other 108 being produced by the state-run Hindustan Aeronautica Limited (HAL) in Bangalore. There is an option for India to acquire 63 more Rafale jets.
Dassault Aviation, the French manufacturer, has concerns about the carbon-fibre composite material that would be used by HAL to form the skin of the Rafale fighter. Though HAL prides itself in having mastered the use of these composites (which are also used on the indigenous Tejas fighter plane), HAL uses a manual technique. Dassault, on the other hand, uses an automated and much quicker process to manufacture super-critical carbon-fibre composite structures such as the wings of the Rafale. HAL and Dassault will now need to arrive at a consensus on how best to speedily develop carbo-composites to ensure that the time-frame for the manufacture of Rafale fighters is met. A slower process by HAL could mean that Dassault’s delivery deadlines for the Rafale will not be met.
French negotiators have indicated that that while they are obliged to train Indian engineers on the assembly of key components of the Rafale fighter, they need specific assurances to ensure that the engineers they train remain deployed and committed to the manufacture of the Rafale, again, to ensure that the jets are manufactured and delivered on time to the Indian Air Force.
The Rafale’s primary sensor, the RBE-2 Airborne Electronically Scanned Array, is manufactured in state-of-the-art laboratories in France to exceptionally rigid production and quality standards. HAL’s avionics labs, which presently work on radars for the Air Force’s Sukhoi 30 have different standards and technologies in place. French sources say HAL engineers will need a change in the work culture and the avionics labs in Bangalore will need upgrading to meet the French standards. This is, again, not seen as a deal breaker, but the French have flagged a concern that the modernization of HAL’s technology could be a time-consuming process.
Seems things are getting back on track and both sides are taking this to a conclusion.
The composite stuff is hardly an issue. HAL mastered working with titanium extensively to build the Su-30, trained its manpower to accurately work on composites for the LCA, this, utilizing machinery is not going to be harder in comparison.
Interesting to note that its HAL will be making the radar & that its Bangalore avionics labs (err where exactly?) will need an upgrade…err…of course they will.
HAL doesn’t make any AESA radar till date & its Hyderabad (not Bangalore) labs make the N011M. Its avionics labs are in Korwa (UP state) and Kasargod (Kerala).
Its actually BEL, DRDO and a bunch of private firms which make India’s AESA radars. There are currently a bunch in production and development.
Here are some modules from a two years back (both used in India’s long range AESAs for BMD and the S-band AEW&C). Apart from the new stuff being revealed (C, UHF, X Band etc)


So yeah, to make AESAs, HALs infra will have to be upgraded. No biggie even so..
Wonder why BEL wasn’t tapped for this and if GOI is deliberately diversifying its manufacturing base as with the Akash program.
Whatever happened, happened.. now the path forward gets fixed..
Rafale in Indian colors will be awesome.
This link (http://imgur.com/a/Ga4Fv) also shows the comprehensive ESM suite developed for teh AEW&C by DRDO, the fighter EW suites and the dual color MAWS for Su-30 MKI, and its new digital RWR (replacing teh Tarang)
Idiots at Times of India (India’s arguably worst newspaper) mixed up India with Egyptians
This is blowback from Russian meddling. The issues are token politics.
Man, you guys are still into the Cold War, US vs Russia stuff.. there is no “Russian meddling” and nor are these issues token politics.
The MiG-29Ks have had serious operational availability issues & teething troubles because the Russians/MiG have had a lot to catch up on with the MiG-29K series.. prototypes are one thing, production articles are harder. The avionics, engines all have issues & there is a significant Russian team working on fixing those issues. They’ll be fixed but it will take time because the MiG-29K is a pretty new program & some of its components, systems are not holding up to spec at all.
Ironic is the some guys from across India’s border posting about it in glee because if they had thought about it, their favorite rattletrap/s are running on those some engines.. and unlike India, there is no Russkie contingent for warranty fixing or spares local management/inventory maintained by Russia (eg as mandated in both the IAF and IN deals) to manage the issues.
Does this only happen with Russia and Russian imports.. nope. Its a new system so teething issues are a given. Just that the scale of these is fairly large. But not something that hasn’t been seen before. The initial induction of the MiG-29 in IAF was torrid as well, but it went onto become a critical part of the inventory & many logistics issues were fixed.
Teer, take a break from reaming out a certain troll in the Tejas thread, and help me make sense of the Indian AL-31F situation.
-Thanks
Hear you..his pack are a pathetic waste of time anyways…their lot can’t manufacture a screw between them, and are out posturing away…
What were you referring to about the AL-31F? Let me know..