Dont worry about what the PAF will face, JF-17 will not fight in a vacum, neither will any fighter. PAF are happy with it, and thats all that really matters. For a very small spend, JF-17 gives them tremendous bang per buck, and that is what the whole project is about. It has achieved many of it’s goals.

What will support the JF-17? PAF has only limited numbers of F-16s which it safeguards.

Tremendous bang for very limited buck is all very well. But if the platform is thoroughly outclassed to begin with, it brings less than more modern platforms like the J-10. License producing a Pak specific variant may have been better.

This is exactly why PAF purchased the JF-17. It is a massive leap in capability compared to F-7 and Mirages. Considering the cost of the entire project this was money very well spent. For higher end, PAF has other options.JF-17 with BVR SD-10, MAR-1 SEAD missile, LGBs and C808, new advanced radar and EW along with ARR capability is replacing a short ranged AIM-9 equipped F-7 on a one to one basis.
would consider that a very good step up.

What higher end options does the PAF have? It could barely afford the JF-17 or F-16s themselves and needed financing support. The program is going along (barely) with Chinese fiscal support. Advanced radar etc are rhetoric. What does a KLJ-7 bring to the table versus far more power systems available worldwide? Similarly, can limited stocks of a short range MAR-1 truly be anything more than a limited defensive weapon?

The JF-17 is a step up from the F-7, but then again, anything would be a step up from that.

I’m not familiar with the MiG-21 Bison, not sure what it has to do with this.

It seems important to you to point out Pakistan’s relative lack of aircraft design expertise. Clearly they’re not equal partners but then there aren’t many developing countries with deep expertise in combat aircraft design. Many developed countries don’t either. None of this has anything to do with whether JF-17 does the job it was intended to do. It’s just Pakistan bashing in the guise of an aviation thread.

Pointing out that your claims of PAF merely setting requirements is not design = “Pakistan bashing”?

You made the claim that PAF did not merely fund the R&D & set requirements. I merely pointed out that many examples exist of many other AF’s doing what PAF has done with similar platforms, with less hype.
UAEAF set requirements & funded R&D for their Block 60s. Pak bashing to point this out?

I asked you a question as to what Pak has actually contributed apart from basic funding & requirements. If you don’t know, say so. Don’t beat around the bush & say its Pak bashing because somebody asked you a question & you don’t know the answer or its not palatable (Pak didn’t contribute any significant items of its own design).

It does not suite PLAAF requirments, and yes it is a low cost fighter for PAF, so again, I dont see the point being made here.

That your point does not hold, because the JF-17 is currently not PAF’s low cost aircraft but its “edge”, given that it can barely afford the JF-17 itself and has only a few F-16s.

The JF-17 is BVR capable, has anti-radar and anti-ship missiles, air to air reufelling is being tested and has PGM capability. For a low cost fighter it aint bad.

Which is a moot point because the JF-17 will be facing much better platforms across the border & with fewer numbers of the JF-17 (PAF struggled to fund even the second tranche), the PAF is going to face even more daunting odds. About the only thing going for it, is that its better than the really combat limited F-7s.

I dont see the point here, JF-17 has always been touted as a low cost fighter to build up numbers. What is the point being made?

For the PAF, the JF-17 is the best fighter it can afford (apart from a few handmedown/new F-16s). For the PLAAF, its not even good enough.

Not really. The US created the F-5 and this was not used as a frontline USAF type, but filled a niche. That is exactly what is happening here. China simply may not have the same requirements as Pakistan. It’s main focus is long range battle over the Tawain Straits.

Which is what Black Archer said. A niche low cost fighter which does not offer the kind of capabilities that an AF which can afford better (like the PLAAF) would want.

Wow, so this Alpha whatever can tell Black Archer to get his head out his @rse and then accuse the latter of being insulting!

And btw, as regards being Pakistani – wasnt this same dude the one accusing Indian women soldiers deployed on the Indo-Pak border as being prostitutes? And quoting similar right wing Pak propaganda..
If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck..

As regards the LCA vs the glorious successful JF-17, wake us all up, when the broke PAF manages to get the funds to make it a proper 4G fighter as versus depending on the PRC to fund it via soft loans or whatever. Heck, the IOC level LCA already has a HMS & a HOBS missile, more or less a standard fit today, whereas the simpler FOCed whatever JF-17 doesn’t.

Less said the better about the leap of aviation that it represents, with 4th gen fighter upgrades ahead of it in terms of tech like full FBW.

Never mind the PAF extolling its capabilities & their reliability when it comes to dismissing anything incovenient to their domestic fanbase. Ah, no Erieyes were lost in an AFB attack.. errm, nose cone was damaged… to “one was destroyed, 1/2 need heavy repairs”.

Whoa, you sound like you are actually proud of getting screwed by everyone.

India has two models of weapons development.
1) “Indigenous” – drags on for decades until the product is obsolete before mass production even begins. result, Babus get fat, the country get nothing.
2) “Joint Development” – you pay a foreign country to develop weapons for you. they get the money, develop their technology base, and keep all the IP. result, Babus get fat, the country get nothing.

the difference between Chinese corruption and Indian corruption is that Chinese babus may pocket some money but the country at least get something too. Indian people are just getting screwed for free, by foreigners, by their own government.

This is in the news. A perfect example. http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/india-israel-introducing-mr-sam-03461/
So India paid for the development of Barak-8. Israel is putting the missile into service, but nobody knows when India will start producing it. Basically Indian industry is so backward, it can’t make the missile even with blueprints, and the Israeli point at the contract and say teaching you how to make it is not part of the agreement. That’s what happens when you can “buy latest equipment from anywhere in the world”, you don’t develop your own industrial base, even to the point where you can at least make top shelf weapons when given the blueprints. The French are too smart get into a contract that requires them to teach Indian industry how to make Rafales, because they know how hopeless that is.

Actually, you know diddly squat about either Indian industry and what is in production and how it relates to ww standards either.

Your asinine references to Indian democracy and your desire to engage in rabble rousing based on specious political rants about Indian leaders are also equally facile. Stick to all this on your nationalistic chinese boards and leave this one for aviation discussion.