TeerAnybody read or heard anything about whether the F-22’s ALR-94 ESM can detect another F-22’s APG-77 LPI radar at long ranges?
If an ESM that can defeat the APG-77’s LPI feature already exists, what would be tactical implications in a scenario where four non-stealthy fighters with such a capable ESM are pitted against two F-22s?
In answer to your question, research “digital receivers”.
http://www.militaryaerospace.com/index/display/article-display/238669/articles/military-aerospace-electronics/volume-16/issue-10/features/special-report/digital-receivers-power-a-new-generation-of-electronic-warfare.html
The key things they enable is the ability to discriminate amongst multiple signals over a wind band. Overlapping signals were often ignored or rather were not detected by earlier systems. But current systems allow for tailored searches to be made.
TeerSuper 30 upgrade is likely to be a thorough avionics and weapons refresh, with some structural work for Brahmos etc. Probably, IAF will go for the new RVV-BD and RVV-SD as well, plus the RVV-MD (R-73 follow on). This should be more than enough to meet current and even future needs.
http://indrus.in/articles/2011/08/23/indias_su-30mki_to_become_super_sukhoi_12904.html
TeerFair idea but it maybe that super-30 is designed to leapfrog Su-35. We don’t know. However would it be so bad to have less two seaters?
To truly leapfrog the Su-35, Super 30 will require new engines with significantly more thrust than the AL-31FP and also re-engineering to incorporate more fuel (to balance greater SFC). So far there is no indication either is planned. IAF has long experience with single seaters & has firmly moved to the two seater camp. They are unlikely to change their mind anytime soon. Just look at their requirements for the FGFA.
TeerHAL is currently making MKI and some time ago there were reports that IAF had about 120 MKI or so, assuming currently they have about 130 or so, there are still about 140 left to be made. How about instead of Super 30 they convert that MKI order into a Su-35MKI order of some kind. They can still convert remaining Su-30s into Super 30 and have a equal number of Su-35MKI. Ok logistics load will increase as there will be another type in inventory but 35 will bring more capability as well? Or will it be too much hassle?
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HAL is manufacturing 60 MKIs in Phase 4, ie local production @80-90% indigenization (bar landing gear, ejection seat, some non russian items and certain raw materials and fasteners). To move to Su-35 would mean a significant portion of the learning curve would have to be redone.
Not to mention, logistics issues at the IAF end.
TeerOwning property or having investments in India which the Govt taxes is not akin to being an Indian resident, paying taxes on regular income itself. For which the term tax payer is usually used.
TeerYou can’t know that. The article provides rather vague claims, at best. Hard to judge based on sole point of view.
Farhat Taj is pretty well known – apart from her, you can google up the long war journal’s itemized list of strikes. Its fairly logical. The strikes take out Taliban who take over the local area, in most cases, it will be welcomed. Note though, she is taking of NWFP. In other areas where the militants have local support, its not going to be the same.
For me, waging war with the US means unprovoked attack on targets in Miami or Chicago. Shooting down a foreign drone over one’s house is not an act of war rather than legitimate defense of one’s authority over his own country.
Thats your view. But the US may not look upon it the same way. They might view attacks on their property as hostile and take action either overt or covert.
I agree. But how is that different from foreign setting up and supporting regimes like Hussein’s, Mubarak’s or Musharraf’s? Pot/kettle.
Fail to see what you are saying here. Its not the US is the epitome of fair play, hardly. It is that the Pakistanis set themselves up in a far worse situation and sought to play both sides – their own militants and the US. But you can run with the hares and hunt with the hounds only so long.
Also, despite all their complaining, they have made enough money off of the US and scored huge amounts of free weaponry (which of course will be junk if US withdraws logistic support) so their claims of suffering thanks to the US ring hollow.
The trouble is not because of the US, the trouble is because Pak military set up a bunch of militant proxies to take over Afghanistan, attack India & basically do the military’s job for them.
The military of course, sitting in barracks and enjoying the country’s largest business interests (google Fauji Foundation). Now the US is basically attacking these militant interests, while India has sealed its border & these militant proxies, having grown even more powerful and virulent are attacking Pakistani state itself. The attack on Pakistan Navy planes, f.e. and in response, military instead of stopping the attacks is killing whistleblowers like Shahzad. In a way, its letting the situation get worse for civilian democracy, so folks ask for a return to army rule.
So all the whining by some others about how the evil US is dooming the country is a bit rich. If there were no militants, there would be no US drone strikes. Only relations would be trade, and usual. Every nation looks out for its own interests. Ultimately, as is evident, Pakistani military don’t believe their sponsor of militants has failed and continue to support them, and will ultimately face much more trouble.
TeerNow which CAR has a seaport? The stuff coming from CAR is offloaded in Latvia and crosses two continents to get to Afghanistan.
Heh, your chest thumping apart, NATO has been steadily increasing its logistics footprint via CAR as versus Pak. Push come to shove, they’ll have options. Your lot on the other hand, will lose one of the last sources of decent income that you had.
Course of history would have been very different if Kashmir had been settled. Indians have paid the biggest price, even it’s recent economic success is held hostage to Pakistan. Your leaders know that, fools like you don’t. Do you wonder why they keep turning the other cheek?
Despite all of the Pak sponsored attacks in Kashmir, India has been one of the highest growth economies in the world & is well set to continue. Held hostage – hardly. On the other hand, having created dozens of terror groups to fight india, while its army comfortably sat in its barracks and ran businesses – Pakistan is learning what it means to have these groups run riot in their own country.
Your country is suffering umpteen terror strikes day after day, a military unable or even unwilling to stop them, an economy which depends on foreign aid, and you have the hubris to believe you can coerce a neighbour to part with territory which you could neither win on the battlefield or via terror.
Indian leaders “turn the other cheek” out of pity, with people like our current PM born in pre-partition India, and who have a soft corner for Pakistan. That is unlikely to last for long either as they are pretty much the last generation to care.
So basically, you cant even recognize the damage your own nation has done to itself, and keep spewing revanchist bile and calling others fools, when actually, it is you who is the greatest fool.
By now its clear to anyone & everyone that Pakistan isn’t going to get Kashmir. Nor will it get “strategic depth” in Afghanistan via its militant proxies, the Taliban if it continues to play around with the United States which is showing signs of increasingly coming to grips with a duplicitous Pakistani policy.
Congratulations on winning friends and influencing people.
Teer4 posts in a row. Someone needs to relax.
Its just a forum full of opinions, especially when comes to politics.
Errmm…making 4 posts in a row means a person is moving sequentially down the thread, responding to posts. As and when he gets time to visit the forum. I am quite relaxed BTW, its raining here & fairly pleasant.
TeerAre there many royalists in Canada, I mean is this move popular?
TeerThe root cause of what Pakistan is today and the threat is posses to the rest of the world is due to India’s attitude towards Pakistan since its inception. If India had settled the Kashmir issue, Pakistan would not be the militarily aggressive country it is today, it would not be a nuclear power, it would not be sponsoring militancy, it would not have the industrial military complex it has. If the Kashmir issue had been settled, most probably India and Pakistan would be in a loose confederation type arrangement. But now not even the US, let alone India can get rid of Pakistan without significant negative, and in case of India mortal, consequences. So thank you India for creating a monster!
Yeah, the mean Indians didnt luv Pakistan from its inception and didn’t hand over Kashmir on a platter. So the poor Pakistanis, the victims, sponsored terrorists, created a crazy MIC, a dysfunctional state etc etc. Not their own decisions but because of mean India.
The things one reads..
500 trucks pass through Pakistan every day to support NATO in Afghanistan, so to compensate for all the wear tear caused by the movement of these trucks Pakistan could impose toll taxes. US$ 15,000 per truck should suffice as the total will be $2.7b i.e. equal to the aid at risk.
Till the US finds a way to scale down supplies from Pak and moves logistics via CAR.
B-Plan needs more work.
TeerYou also need to look at the things from other side.
Whereupon you burst out laughing at the ludicrousness of it all. Allow me to explain.
– Exactly why should be US drones allowed to fly over the foreign territories with no harm?
Because Pakistan pretty much handed over its FATA, NWFP tribal areas to various groups of islamist militants to wage war against ISAF in Afghanistan. These were the same groups cultivated by the Pakistani military and intelligence to run the country & fight its proxy wars with India. Then comes America with dollars, and Pakistan allows both things to go on. It allows drones to take off from Shamsi AFB (nominally owned by UAE) in Pakistan, strike these targets, and at the same time supports these targets.
So, US drones are flying over foreign territories with no harm because they paid off the guys who run these monsters. Pakistan #win right? No…because..the situation gets funnier.
See the Pakistanis got paid off thinking US would strike the bad Taliban, which is not run by ISI fully, strikes Army targets within Pakistan and also ISAF in Afghanistan.
Meanwhile ISIs Team A, Good Taliban, the Haqqanis would run business as usual. Instead the US wised up and went for A. While forcing Pakistanis to do ground ops instead against Bad Taliban -B.
Clearly US #Win. The Drone program is also receiving support from the people whose houses it flies over.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010 1 2story_2-1-2010_pg3_5
Read the entire article.
Would you accept Pakistani drones policing over your house?
Would have happened if my country had created its own Janus complex to wage war with the US and wanted to earn money on the side, by outsourcing even their deaths. But it hasn’t so I don’t need to accept drones over my house.
– Handing MANPADS to the Taliban and bragging about it – well, it happened before (… Stinger, cough, cough..)
Of course. One superpower versus another. Today, its US versus Pakistan. Are they in the same weight class?
Good or bad is relative even if it don’t fit your point of view. 😉
Not necessarily, creating state sponsored proxies to wage war on civilians in support of dubious national goals, indoctrinating them with religious hatred is not “relatively” bad. Its bad. As is bad, when those same guys start killing your own citizens, but the military establishment does not do much because they are “assets”. In the meanwhile deals are struck with an angry superpower offering these guys heads…for a price. As long as enough heads remain to keep attacking the superpower so money flows in. So more need to be trained. Effect on local civilians, who’s bothered.
Question is whether it is sustainable.
Take it easy.. 🙂
Oh I am.
BTW, to get an idea of the Pak military and how it dominates discourse within the nation, try this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Military-Inc-Inside-Pakistans-Economy/dp/0745325459
And read: http://www.propublica.org/article/pakistan-and-the-mumbai-attacks-the-untold-story
TeerIf it is about the numbers game, than read this
Pakistan’s war on terror since 9/11 cost $68 bn
http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=6446&Cat=13
Would take those numbers with a bit of skepticism, the Congressional Research Service comes out with a detailed research piece, the Pakistani establishment hits back with the ISI mouthpiece, Majid Nizami’s News to claim the war cost $68Bn. But for that cost to be realistic, and not quick off the cuff PR, the detailed itemized research has to be listed. The same as CRS did. Otherwise, given the differences in PPP, the figures appear even more bizarre.
Despite all the gizmos you have listed here, Pakistanis are more scared of going out than before they joined up with the Americans. Propping up Generals is no way of winning the people. When will the Americans learn?
Agreed totally. So what do you suggest. Leaving unrealistic stuff aside, like “we want Afghanistan or Kashmir” or xys, which America is in no position to concede.
TeerWhining and mourning will not change anything on the ground. Face facts WE have no control on situation, why waste time on thinking about how US is being “duped by Pakistan”. Poor helpless US.
Exactly. So why whine about the US’s complex and not entering into a grand bargain etc etc.
Seriously US and Pakistan are intertwined in a dance. Relations is based on give and take. Seems like US is getting something in return for them to keep coming back and so is Pakistan.
Yup, US takes for what it gives. A transactional relationship. Only issue is whether the US was getting its money’s worth after handing over so much. Many in the US, think not.
I am suprised how Indians love to defend US honor, Americans can do it themselves.
Whats the US’s honor got to do with the topic. This sort of thing is funny. The US gives money, Pakistan does not render adequate services, US complains and cuts aid, others note this event. But you think the US’s honorbound to give you aid or somesuch thing?
TeerMoney to cost to time. Phased array was not ready, nor is it now, for instant MiG-29UPG installation.
Also come with significant weight penalty, both for the array and the cooling required.
TeerWhy would it “leads to nowhere” ?
Because there is no time for a step by step ladder development approach, which is the entire reason the process is being shortcut by asking Snecma to join in!
I’ll keep cost out of it as I do not know how much Klimov would charge for a JV including full TOT and I dont know how much snecma would charge either.
Thats the point. Your ladder development approach may actually be more expensive as thanks to the time taken, imports may be used again for future programs, which means that cost has to be factored in. With so many factors to consider, evaluating on the basis of cost is uncertain.
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