My understanding is if you want to improve an aircraft’s G limit (say from 8G to 9G), you would have to strengthen certain parts, which would add weight.

Considering LCA suffers from weight problems, why did ADA feel that they have to make it 9G capable when ASR was only for 8G.

PS. What is the empty weight of LCA?

Vikas,

The g limits are built into the design- its not a question of reducing x components weight and getting to a lower g limits. So when you have designed for certain capability, why downgrade – when you can add a higher power engine and manage.

And the LCA’s “weight problems” have to do with scope creep – the IAF added a fair bit of stuff because of which the weight reduction from ADA was only partially offset. PV-2

Plus, adding a new engine with a higher thrust is expected to compensate handily.

The empty weight of the LCA is given in Ankush’s post to Matt, prior to the one above. Weight (clean) is given as 6.5 T. I believe this as an approximation & not necessarily the exact figure & it may reduce even further as plans existed to shave off some 600-700 kgs of weight.

PV1 (2003) was 6.43T with FTI (Flight Test Instrumentation), but the weight savings obtained by removing FTI would have been offset by the greater production standard avionics items fitted in PV2.

I’m not sure if the outer missile is the Python or Magic IIs

pic courtesy of BRF, and only slightly better than the previous one..

Thanks – I was under the impression the Magic 2s would be retired by now. The fins are definitely removed and those are Derbys for sure, the WVR I dont know..

Sort of like yours you mean? More than happy to have admins do the necessary checks.

Several posters here who can vouch for me being Indian & who even know what my nick means – its just means arrow.

Unlike your copy paste, in an attempt to pass yourself off as Indian. But you dont seem to know that either, interesting. An inaccurate copy paste for your first post, followed by a hissy fit thereafter when rebutted, speaks for itself.

I agree with the first sentence.

On the second sentence, how can you so confidently say?

Look at the Business Standard article citing P Subramanyam.
The LCA program was in 2 phases, first a couple of TDs for tech demo, only after they flew in 2001 was the “fighter program” cleared in November 2001 with a handful of PVs (~5).

In contrast, P Subramanyam notes 5-6 MCA prototypes will be built as part of the initial program. Thats better than the sequential TD–> Proto phase as in the LCA.

as per Rupak, so I’m ready to trust that one.

Thats gold standard evidence right there.

All I recall – fading memory- is the lead IAF participant in the Kargil LGB attacks mentioning – “we tried a LGB strike with a 2 seat Jaguar, it didnt work too well at short notice so we concentrated on the Mirages”…the Mirages clearly used Litening LDPs, didnt remember about the Jaguars.

At any rate, now the Jags also have Litening LDP & are cleared for several new munitions, including 2-3 different types of LGBs.

Most interestingly, the IAF demonstrated stand off lasing via UAVs at a firepower demo where a MiG-27 UPG took out a target designated by a Searcher.

The Jag DARIN-II Upg and the MiG-27 Upg are practically the same.

Anyways, does anyone have the exact number of Jaguars which went through DARIN-2?

Some 110-120 odd Jaguars are reportedly in service, of which 37 are newbuilds all to the Darin 2 standard. Apart from some 10 Jaguars are for maritime use and upgraded with Elta 2032 radars & DARIN 2 suite/s.

Recent reports suggest that another 60 odd Jaguars are also to be brought to Darin 3 standards. This more or less adds up to the entire number of Jaguars in IAF service.

So were only 37 newbuilds plus the Maritime Jags brought upto DARIN 2 or more as well?

On another note, whats with the brown camo for the ex Ukrainian birds? Wont that be high visibility, is the PAF planning to change it?

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APP being real loony. A photoshop of an IAF tanker to boot, couldnt they have just waited for the actual tankers to arrive.

Edited: Ankush nailed it as well.