Thankyou for your kind comments col.
While awaiting some calmer weather for a proper test flight on the Zenair I have gone back to tinkering with a 115″ span Petlyakov Pe-2 I started over a year ago. I always have troubles getting a retract system that works reliably in a scale timescale and it is this, together with the power system, that I have been attending to.
Also been spending some time on the drawing board designing the outer wing panels.
Rich, glad to hear all that work on the Shack is not going to waste. Presumably it’ll find its way into the museam at Coventry?
PND’s work is good, quite light and you have the option of laser cut parts.
Which mark of Firefly are you building?
I drew up a MkIV and was all enthused until I realised that the scale 4-blade prop was over 2 foot diameter and would set me back the best part of £50. That cast a different light on the model and sent it back down the list. Since then I have been wondering about a MkI with 3-blade prop – although the cost of the prop would be similar as I make up my own three bladers and would have to buy 2 to build the prop anyway. The main selling point for me would be that I don’t ever remember having seen anything but the later marks modelled.
I will be very interested in seeing the flap system!
Here’s the latest to get wheels off the ground (briefly).
1:4 scale, 80″(ish) span, AUW 8.6 pounds.
So the upshot seems to be that there was never a flying Islander on floats and the Ross amphibian never got off the ground… or, water… in anything more than model form. And I have my doubts that the model was capable of flight too.
Disappointing really.
Rumours and pipe dreams!
Well, thanks everyone, that seems to be that cleared up.
Quite right Chris, so you did. To my shame I have to admit I was so interested in the arrangement that I omitted to read it!
Now that I look closer I see there is no starboard float either! (No shadow, no nosewheel) Hence no indication of what happens on the far side. The trestle under the tail should also have given the game away!
So were there no takers?
Perhaps the Ross alternative was under way at the time and thought to be the better option?
There are at least two photos of one in the water (the same one), so I imagine that was about how far that project progressed.
The 3-view does in fact show just such a bridge structure running between the bows of the floats via support on the underside of the fuselage, but that does not look to be particularly strong. (assuming that the drawing is reasonably accurate, which is not neccessarily safe)
In view of the seating arrangements with a door on alternate sides of the normal Islander I wonder how access was provided. Someone stepping onto one of the floats would have to make a considerable stride to reach the fuselage which would be hazardous for the average man and hardly an attractive prospect for his wife!
The Ross amphibian is far more amenable and altogether conventional in this respect.
Chris’s photo does seem to show two wide sponsons (which appear to have a thin aerofoil section) suitable for gaining access to the two port side doors, but this still leaves the access on the other side in doubt. I see no corresponding structure on the far side. Could they have completely rearranged the seating?
It seems hard to imagine how that could have been done so as to allow the identical sponson arrangement on the starboard side.
Wieesso, thankyou for going to the trouble. That first was a very disappointing link. I did wonder if something in my browser was amiss as no Islander on floats appeared, but clearly you found the same as I did.
That first kheeley link shows a very ambitious conversion – almost a rebuild!
Chris, that is encouraging. At least I now know one exists – or existed.
I put in a request to BN Historians as the obvious place to start. Perhaps I’ll hear back soon.
Sorry AN2 – I glanced back to check and saw your header just above rich’s posting… ‘more haste less speed!’
I wonder if you might be interested in this thread from RCGroups… as if you wouldn’t!… the guy seems to be undertaking a very ambitious build – but seems well equipped to do it (so far).
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1356346
Okay, Christmas is over (which is more than can be said for the turkey!) and we’re all back to our workshops… so what’s in building?
We’re looking forward to seeing a larger (and less porky) Shackleton from AN2grahame… what else is coming on?
Here’s mine – so far as it’s got… ‘Can y’see what it is yet?’
(Without reference to G-INFO!)
Actually I have just started on one wing – while I get my head round how I’m going to get round the undercarriage – might have to call in assistance…
I have been editing some of my father’s old 8mm films for the family and thought others might like to see some old (and rather poor) footage from between 1938 and 1945.
Includes:
Slingsby T.21 at Dunstable 1938
DeHavilland 86 Expresses at Guernsey 1938
Bristol Blenheim over Harpenden – a very brief shot probably 1939/40
DeHavilland 98 Mosquito low level over Keil canal 1945
Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYIswchAGFM
Looks like this one…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._119_Squadron_RCAF
Rapide was mine too, but from Luton. Dad bought us a flight. I still remember the wicker seats and the smell.
Then came a flight in an RAF Dove from Hendon and a Chipmunk at St Athan.
It was a promising start for a lad – then they stopped national service a few months before my callup.
Gutted – had to think of something else to do with my life!
Right… Checks out on Airshow Review. Thanks!
Nothing wrong with THAT engine!
Keith, that is SUCH a sad sight!
I am sure I read ‘Airwork’ on a pukka printed sign – can’t remember if it was on a wing stood up against a wall or on the boarded wall of the shed. There were 3 Procters and a Prentice jammed into the shed which had vertical timber boarding and looked far more dilapidated that the aircraft.
I had cycled over from Harpenden with a school friend and we sneaked up a rough track, through trees and into the shed via a hole made by a couple of missing boards. We didn’t dare show ourselves outside, feeling really naughty, so the visit was a brief one – but one that left a strong impression.
If you do speak to Mr R of ‘DMT, please thank him for his kindness in showing me over his aircraft. I was gathering detail for a future 1:4 scale model and he was really helpful. The Hornet Moth model got elbowed out by a Zenair 701, but it WILL happen – perhaps around March/April next year.
The BMFA (British Model Flying Association) has quite a few years’ experience with beginners and starts their youngsters off by helping them build something like the ‘Dart’ – A rubber powered delta.
Or maybe for a first chuck, since he is only 4, try the Aerojet – at least it won’t be an ex-model inside minutes.
Have a look at this link…
http://www.bmfa.org/education/kits.html
I rather fear anything more scale or complicated than these are likely to be a DIScouragement – to dad! There is only so much repair one can do to a flying model while still retaining flying characteristics.
The non-flying kind of model has already been discussed.
For me (as a designer, builder and flyer of model aircraft) had I had a son ask that question (2 daughters!) I would want something that would start him off on a hobby by showing him that something, however simple, he can make can also fly. The scale models come quite a few years later.
I have to confess I have no idea how much SFr 349 is in Sterling – not that I would be buying anyway as I design all my own. Is it a good deal?
Ben, thankyou for your comment. Warbirds more your bag then eh? Fast and loud?