At least they are not as open about their “tendencies” as their other Islamic friends are.And they jump up and down at Uncle Sam’s bidding, which cant hurt 😉

They are pretty open about there tendencies but people are either blinded or bought off by there money(like millions of Indians working there). The biggest Islaimc centers in pak are funded by UAE long before even Saudi can come into this business.
http://www.moralitynotmoney.com/

Students for an Ethical Divinity School was founded in response to the Harvard Divinity School’s accepting $2.5 million from the President of the United Arab Emirates, Sheikh Zayed bin Sultan al-Nahyan in July, 2000, for the creation of an endowed professorship in Islamic Religious Studies.

Zayed funds the Abu Dhabi-based Zayed Center for Coordination and Follow-Up, a prominent think-tank of the Arab League founded in 1999. The Zayed Center, described on its website “as the fulfillment of the vision of Sheikh Zayed,” promotes Holocaust denial, anti-American conspiracy theories, and hate-speech in its lectures, symposia, and publications. By accepting Zayed’s money, the Divinity School honors and validates the hate-speech he promotes. Harvard would never accept money from a Ku Klux Klan financier. The hate funded by the Sheikh’s money is no less abhorrent.

Amnesty International has repeatedly documented the terrible human rights record of Sheikh Zayed’s U.A.E.: lack of elections, corporal punishment of political prisoners, and trafficking of Bangladeshi child slaves for camel races. Sheikh Zayed has ruled as the U.A.E.’s unelected president since 1971.

SOC the US can do any thing they deem is good for the US interests as Israel can do, if we think that Israel sold US technology to China and wanted to sell the AWACS technology built for the Phalcon, Israel is another nation surrounded by enemies with the desire to exterminate it, after WWII when the jewish people was almost wiped out the palestine question became another matter of survival for Israel, The US considers Israel an ally but some times the US follows it`s interests as Israel does.
Israel has great technology but as allies both nations have their own interests that sometimes are in opposition to each other.
The J-10 to me seems to be a great mistake that Israel made and in one way was prompted by the US greediness because Israel and the US spent lot of money in the design of the Lavi just to be wasted in favor of the US Lockheed F-16.
China was the only nation true profiting from it as in lesser way is Russia.
it will be a great irony to see Israeli F-16s fighting Pakistani, Iranian or Syrian J-10s

IF J-10 is Israel developed product than India would have gotten its WS-10A engine for Its Flankers(Just like EW Suite for Flanker) or for LCA or producing it underlicense(way better than old M2K and pay billions to French for license) Similar is the case for Radar. Or you consider just a Sketch the same thing as Fully developed Aircraft? Regarding export first there is joint China-Pak marketing team for FC-1 for Middleast and AFrica. When they are done with it than J-10 will come.
So these new UAVs also came from Israel for free or they sold the tech?

LONDON [MENL] — Egypt’s military has been examining the prospect of procuring unmanned aerial vehicles from China.

Western defense sources said Egypt’s air force and army have been briefed by the Chinese government on its newly-developed UAVs. The sources said the Chinese UAVs were being offered to Egypt at less than half of the price of a comparative Western system.

The marketing effort has been undertaken by China National Aero Technology Import and Export Corp. CATIC has also marketed fighter-jets and trainers to Egypt’s air force. Cairo has been coproducing China’s K-8 air trainer in a project meant to procure 80 such platforms for the Egyptian Air Force.

The sources said Egypt was one of several African and Middle East countries targeted by CATIC in efforts to develop a UAV clientele. Other countries included Tanzania, Zambia and Zimbabwe. The militaries of Bangladesh, Pakistan and Sri Lanka have also been briefed by CATIC.

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BTW, here’s a testimony by Ambassador Teresita Schaffer, South Asia expert, to the Senate in July. The topic was Pakistan.

Pak is not going to change its policies for F-16 that thing is for sure and it is already dropped from PAF high tech requirement. they are more confident about J-10 progress.

Authoritative sources from the Chinese military aviation industry Group One told Kanwa that some major progress had been made in the development of the sub-systems used on the 4th generation stealth fighter, particularly the engine. The WS10A turbofan engines originally designed for J10A by Shenyang Liming Motor Company may very likely be installed on this 4th generation fighter for trial flight. The air test of WS10A had already been completed on SU27SK, including a total 256 test items.

The sources indicated to Kanwa’s correspondent that the fundamental performance of the WS10A has already attained the standard of AL31F. The maximum augmented thrust power of AL31FN is 12500kgf, power consumption 0.67kg/kgf.h. Sources based in China also claimed that in streamlining the design, WS10A is even better than AL31FN as it focused on reducing the weight. Meanwhile, the upgrading work paid special attention to the reduction of consumption.

The research of the thrust vector control (TVC) technology has also been going on for a long time. The basic design idea is close to the Russian AL31F-TVN TVC engine. That is, China hopes to largely improve the maneuverability of the engine by adding a TVC nozzle on WS10A. Chinese Aviation experts emphasized that the Chinese version of TVC nozzle currently under development can perform 360 degree rotating. Earlier President Jiang Zemin inspected this project, which is one of the key aviation development programs during the “ninth five-year plan. Television images indicate this TVC nozzle can rotate at a range of +-15 degree, the source says that it has also been planned that the China-made TVC engine would be upgraded at appropriate time and installed on J10A in order to ” improve the fighter’s short-distance taking-off and landing performance and attain the maneuverability standard of F35.

Link: http://www.kanwa.com/free/2003/09/e0909a.htm

Vikas,

Read the book Ghost Wars. Pakistan diverted a lot of US given weapons as well as much of the funds to Kashmir. Page 221. Do you know which country’s artillery, high altitude equipment, MANPADs etc were used during Kargil by those who started it? 🙂

As to Iraq, superpowers can start adventures, dependent nations cannot.

Alot of these kinds of books got published to make quick money after sept 11.
PAF previous F-16 were paid by saudi(read the latest FT article) MANPADS are local and Chinese. Stinger is not that many as compared to other varieties now. IF Pak is dependent on US so why bother of accusing it of starting adventures?

So in June 2004 your #2 man did not want Chinese stuff, what about that dude? 😀

Hint -> If you are in a hole – Stop digging 🙂

why you want to ignore that part we are impressed with Chinese progress?

What BS and hypocrisy!

On this thread, you posted an old report from April to “refute” a latest Jane’s report on RD-93 but here you change tacks.

You are a piece of work man. :diablo:

Yes. With time, PAF realizes it has to give up grand dreams and settle for what it can get.

I post the old report to show the desire of sellling engines from Russian side with NAME sources unlike JANES report. IF the same person has given his words on JANES report i would have taken it as truth. here PAF give words on Radar two times. So only there opinion matters.

What BS and hypocrisy!

On this thread, you posted an old report from April to “refute” a latest Jane’s report on RD-93 but here you change tacks.

You are a piece of work man. :diablo:

Yes. With time, PAF realizes it has to give up grand dreams and settle for what it can get.

Grifo is not some grand dream. If 50 mirages and over 150 F-7 can be equiped with it when PAF was under complete sanction so Grifo S-7 is not grand dream for JF-17. It is your desire to put down that Chinese avionics and radar when the evidence to support is not there.

What data dude?

You keep BSing about 2 years from 2004 = 1998. I don’t have any such voodoo data.

In 2002 it wasn’t good enough. He clearly said he was “not impressed.” That doesn’t sound like an 80% satisfaction to me.

You pull this % satisfaction out of somewhere now that your BS claims on 2002, Russian tech and others have come to naught.

Now try again. In 2002, PAF thought Chinese avionics sucked. In 2004 they accepted it. What has changed?

Don’t give me the BS that “WE accepted it so it must have changed.” :rolleyes:

Post reports from JAne’s or reputable sources.

BTW, you yourself posted 2 reports on FC-1 from Jane’s and deny that there are any such reports? How idiotic is that!

When later he said he was impressed with progress? why you chose to ignore that part when this part has become more truer with passage of time.
Just read the right corner. where avionics are on bench testing.