So the russians spent 50% of the project money in r and d just to stick to an older missile? :rolleyes: Boy they must really love India, pay for 50% of project to make things for India cheaper and then only India buys and the russians can only sell to countries that India agrees too as well, , nah it does not work like that, of course they will buy Bhramos as well.

50% of Russian contribution may be in human resoruces only for which they charge money. I don’t think they have the money for convential arms any more. Maintaining space program and nuclear weopons for both land and naval takes alot of money from them. I see little chance of Russia buying new conventional weopons for atleast next 10 years. just upgrading.

Well if you believe Fomin then the MTOW of the MKK is indeed 4T more than the MKI. Fomin was working with that was available to him (and allowed to him) in 1998. Now if Fomin is right then the ACM of the IAF is wrong which I am sure would be the prevailing theory of oracles, village idiots and other such personalities. If Fomin is wrong and the ACM is right then it only reinforces whats been admitted privately by those who matter. Who I am sure dont have the veracity of oracles and village idots.

If the book is written on 1998 specification than with specifications change with time. It is possible that only air to air version is flying around and much reinforced strike version will become later.

http://www.rusarm.ru/products/af/su30mk.htm
there is not even differnce in take off run

I am not an expert in madarssa mathematics but its not a additive fuction as you have so eloquently put it. You simply cant top off an a/c load up all hard points and expect it to fly. The structure of the a/c has to be strong enough to hold the load and sturdy enough to keep the a/c intact through its flight.

But you have been known to know a lot more than others on this board, so I shall humble defer to you.

Actually the Central hardpoints of Aircraft usually takes far more weight than the total permissimable for an aircraft. Take example of M2K-5II. each of its hard point can carry 1300KG except for outermost two ones(which are limited to 300KG each). So 1300*7= 9100KG+600KG=9700KG which is far more than 6300KG for Mirages. This gives flexibility for missions. Similarly you can put 2tons or more on central hard point of flanker.

Finally an open source reference….thats a great find Harry. The 38 tons is take off with max fuel and weapon load. This was one of the features of the MKK that Crobato was tomtomming about the last time we had this discussion and unfortunately I could not talk about it untill there was a bloody opensource reference to the MKI having the same (its ironic coz the Hindu article was published 3 months before the MKK-MKI debate). Need to tell the BR crowd about it.

Oh please carry on…expounding on how the MKI is a mere upgrade of the -27UB and the MKK/Su-35 was built by Thor and Zeus.

Wow what discovery about 38Tons take off. It is very simple math.
20Ton empty weight+10Ton fuel+8Tonweopons and you are at 38Tons

Oh please! Were you really expecting them to start delivering MKIs straight away? Are you aware of the complexities involved? MKI is not an aircraft. It is a program. The first batch was not expected at least till post 2001. From what you have posted so far it seems to have a very poor understanding of avionics and MKI. You are instead much happier posting nationalistic BS.

What complexities? It is just an upgrade not a new aircraft from ground up. just like M2K-9 is upgrade and advance version of F-16 nothing special only Indian involvement is the cause of delay and excitment.

Are you aware of its scan limits?

You show us the limits. but it is limited otherwise India would not be looking at French Mirages

And once again you seem to know what no one else on this forum does! 😀
Why don’t you educate all of us with N011M’s SAR resolution figures

there is no evidence to the contrary. Otherwise Russia would have bragged about it in every export show.

Again showing complete lack of understanding there. 10m is the range resolution. Not the mapping resolution. The SAR resolution figures have never been released. Further more Indian processors will end up enhancing the performance of the SAR modes. Range resolution is not the same as SAR resolution.

Indian components will delay and degrade it further.

Brazil cannot have the Indian MK versions even if it tried. That would mean getting critical component approval from French, Israeli, Indian and Russian vendors. Brazil can at most get a Brazilian modified version with different vendors. The problems (even if they existed as you claim) would not be the same at all.

Why? brazil can just purchase the EW components from Israel and Avioncis and communication from France So why Brazil cannot have MKI? or you are referring to Indiangenous components

As I said before – Brazil cannot get the MKI in its current form anyways. So they are either stuck with a customary option (I doubt they can achieve this) or buy an existing option such as Su35. MKI is simply out of the question for pretty much everyone (inc. Russia) except IAF.

😉 :p
Have you read fully RMAF MKM specification. They are using Thales-Avitroics and Swedish Communication and EW suite which will be compatible with there ERIEYES. Just the Indiangenous components will be not there and they are better off without it.

Quite illogical reporting. FC-1/JF-17 program exists due to PAF interest. China has no interest in continuing this as they have more capable J-10 entered service. And I doubt there is any Indian influence as China imports commerically and militarily far more than India. And no body is interested in Russian Radar or other components for this project so the bottom half of the reporting has no value.