So basically you’re making unfounded statements which you cannot defend. Again.
China hasn’t bought more because they’re developing their own HQ-9 with S-300 technology. That is a cheaper method than buying numerous examples of the very expensive S-300 family. Plus, not even Russia covered their entire country with the S-300 system as again, it was expensive. Most of them are around Moscow, and suprise suprise, most of them in China are near Bejing. China has other SAM systems around the country for added defense, but really, they have no need for an overwhelming SAM network anyway.
India isn’t buying it because they don’t need it. They’ll work with the Arrow system eventually for missile defense, to remove the Pakistani nuclear deterrent, and they have the Mirage 2000 and Su-30MKI which would easily eliminate any air threats they might have to deal with.
How can you say that India does not need it. They have been facing numerous BM(solid fuel) with Nuclear delivery. They need the most and they are not buying it. Domestic does not mean that it is cheaper. Russian stuff of the shelf purchase is more cheaper. How many billions is needed to built engine comparable to RD-93 if there is no infrastructure already compare to $2.5M purchase price. And i can safely bet that if R&D cost is put that J-10 is more expensive than Flanker.
Given the nature of your posts- the fact that you’r using the word “logic” itself is pretty illogical.
So what exactly cant you understand? That the Kaveri is under development is known. That HAL is going to deep manufacture the AL55’s is also known. So why would they invest in a Kaveri derivative to power the AJT spending more time and money, when the AL55 would be available and would aid logistics commonaility to boot.
Try thinking rationally for a change without your blind hatred of India colouring your perceptions.
From where the AJT comes from I am using BJT. And developement of AL-55 for BJT will come in 2007 the same time as Kaveri so why not develop less advance non-aft version of Kaveri after all the goal is indiangenisation. India is buying Hawk for AJT so it is complete nonsense to even think about developing it.
Where’s the technical evidence to back up that statement?
Technical is not there but logical is there. India is not buying it and China bought in small quantity compared to area defended.
For decades, air and missile defense systems like the Patriot and the S-300P have been susceptible to advanced techniques designed to confuse or immobile their interceptor missiles and keep them from reaching their targets. One of the most common jamming devices is S- and C-band airborne noise. If used properly, this and other deception mechanisms lead to what is known as the “suppression of enemy air defenses” and allows attacking aircraft and missiles to proceed to their targets without challenge
it is known that ADS-37 does not have this deficiency.
150KM? That’s a full 50KM less than the reach of the S-300PMU-2, and 250KM less than the reach of the S-400.
thats why i mentioned range is equal to PMU-1. PAC-2 range is less than this it does not make it inferior.
ok…. so according to YAHOO25 the system should be called ADS-37 😀
and just giving it a fancy name won’t make it as capable as the S-300pmu-1… 😀
I didnot gave it name it is official name but i disclosed it. 😉 . Regarding its quality it is much better system than pure russian stuff. Range is estimated at 150KM.
Your intelligence really knows no bounds. First the Kaveri is still being developed- its LCA flight qualification is scheduled for 2007 time frame. Secondly, the AL55 has already been chosen for the IJT and there will be significant logistics commonality when it comes to the same powerplant being used for the AJT. And third, HAL has a deal to manufacture the entire engine, all subsystems included – so why wouldnt they leverage on that.
As regards developing something for ever- LOL- it would be better to paint shoddy gear green and call it “successful” and “indigenous” huh?
This quite illogical reply. Show me any nation which is making or claiming to make advance engines for fighter aircraft cannot make for basic jet trainer. Intact the time line is pretty the same. BJT is coming in an around 2007.
4/5 bilj is a problem? You think they will get them today and pay them tomorrow? Your reason is not valid. If they were looking for same size Gripens then they can pay for this.
Read the quotation correctly. It states that those $2B are further than some other things. So there is no money for another fighter for next 5 years atleast.
Kaveri is for the LCA, not the BJT :rolleyes:
Worry about what? The Saudi’s can tell Pakistan all about PATRIOT, Pakistan has nothing to use the technology on.
You have to read my statement more than twice to understand it. IF Kaveri is successful project than whats the need of ordering BJT engine in 2006 from Russia after all if some body can do 3th generation engines. Trainer engine should not be a problem. Developing something for ever does not mean that it is successful.
read the cruise missile report. There is mention of development of longrange high altitude SAM and that is called ADS-37. They didnot mention the name.
it wont land in the hands of India, but the US could ask for a “close” look in Langley 😉
Pak China weopons are India specific and there is no evidence of any landing into western hands which will compromise its effectiveness against India.
J-10 due to cost alone is the reason not PAF buying it. It will cost $4 to $5B.
So no J-10 for atleast 5 years. On the other hand India should worry more about ADS-37. Which is comparable to S300PMU-1 with input from Patroit technology from Saudis.
Pakistan is expected to spend a further $1.5-2 billion on military modernisation over the next five years, with the bulk of this on Chinese equipment, such as Chengdu JF-17 fighter and K-8 trainer aircraft.
the dry thrust being a bit lower than comparable engines maybe
because of flat rating concept. i.e. it will produce the same thrust regardless of hot or high operation – something that PRC needs to take into account. I am not taking the thrust figure literally just
a comment.another country to the south is working on a engine with the
same concept 😉
Which engine you are referring to in the South? Kaveri is a dead project(Only on paper specification) thats why India is buying Russian engines for its BJT.
his IP is located in Beijing some where.
J-10 for PAF does not make sense. PAF is not likely to get more advance avionics than currently available to JF-17 from anywhere in the World. And atleast two JF-17 can be procured for price of 1 J-10 and there is Operational cost issues involved of maintaining two kinds of engines and planes. PAF will likely want more souped up JF-17 with passage of time.
It takes years to operationalize S-300 type system effectively. China has spent a decade on it so they have found the operational value.
My claim regarding 300KM range and Anti-ship stand corrected.
http://www.cast.ru/main/index.php?m=0&d=139&lang=1
Like Germany for the Soviet Union, Russia for China is a major but not one and only partner in its efforts to upgrade its Armed Forces. MTC with the West was quite productive throughout the 1980s and continues on a smaller scale even though in most spheres it was frozen after the 1989 developments in Tiananmen square. Partnership with Israel and also the acquisition of dual-use technologies in cooperation with major American and European companies play an extremely important role for advancing the Chinese defense industry. For instance, the U.S. House of Representatives Select Committee led by Rep. Christopher Cox discovered that in May 1997 U.S. Loral Space & Communications that launches its satellites with Chinese launch vehicles transferred technical information to China permitting PLA to significantly raise the reliability of its DF-5 (CSS-4) ICBM and DF-4 (CSS-3) long-range ballistic missiles.
“Like the USSR in the 1930s China today is trying to combine technologies collected from different sources in one weapon. For instance, it is believed that the promising HQ-9 surface-to-air missile system design combines solutions applied by Russian S-300PMU (SA-10 Grumble) and U.S. Patriot surface-to-air missiles “