It think SE inlcudes Flanker, F-16,F-2 and F-15 at that time.
Claim about J-10 Supermanoeuvrability was made as early as 2001.

PARIS, June 15 (Itar-Tass) – The command of the Chinese army decided to equip its F-10 fighter planes with the Russian AL-31FN engines, a member of the Chinese delegation at the international airshow in Le Bourget told Tass on Thursday. He said the Chinese army is to receive over 300 such planes in the coming ten years.

The serial production of the fighters is to begin in 2003. However Russia will supply several dozen of the engines in the coming two years.

The AL31FN engine will highlight the display of the Salyut enterprise in Le Bourget. The company is the main producer of AL31F engines for Su-27 and Su-30MKK fighters exported to China.

The AL31FN engine will make F-10 a supermanoeuvrable plane thanks to a new thurst control. It will have no analogues in South-East Asia, according to the Chinese representative.

New engines for Flanker

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Text of report in English by Russian news agency Interfax-AVN web site

Moscow, 17 December: Salyut, a major Russian aircraft engine producer, will soon complete the upgrade of the AL-31F engine for Su- 27 Flanker fighters into a model with a thrust gain of 1.6 t, Salyut chief designer Emmanuil Goldinskiy told Interfax-Military News Agency on Wednesday [17 December].

“We have completed the trials of the AL-31FM1 version with thrust increased from 12.5 t to 13.3 t (by 800 kg). The second stage of the upgrade implies a thrust of 14.1 t. This engine, designated AL- 31FM2, will be completed in February 2004,” he said. According to the designer, there will be a special gas generator for the latter version because, unlike the first upgrade that increased the gas temperature by a mere 25 degrees, a thrust gain of 1.6 t requires gases hotter by 100 degrees, hence new turbine blades made of heat- resistant alloys with a new cooling technology.

The testing of the AL-31FM2 will begin in February 2004 and will take about four months. Salyut will use the testing facilities of the Baranov Central Aircraft Motors Research Institute and the aircraft alloy expertise of the Russian National Research Institute of Aviation Materials, Goldinskiy said.

According to Goldinskiy, the AL-31FM2 engines would power upgraded Flankers. The power plant includes two engines, so the total gain per aircraft will be over three tonnes, which will greatly increase the power-to-weight ratio of these warplanes, he emphasized.

Credit: Interfax-AVN military news agency web site, Moscow, in English 0908 17 Dec 03

Interfax-AVN military news agency web site, Moscow, in English 1012 18 Sep 02/BBC Monitoring/(c) BBC
Text of report in English by Russian news agency Interfax-AVN web site

Moscow, 18 September: The Gromov flight research institute [in Zhukhovskiy, Moscow Region] has completed the first stage of tests of a new power plant with modernized enhanced-thrust engines for heavy fighters of the Su-27 Flanker and Su-30MK type, Yuriy Yeliseyev, director general of the local Salyut machine-building enterprise, said on Wednesday [18 September].

“We have got a report on the first stage of tests of the modernized power plant with AL-31F-M1 enhanced-thrust engines designed by Salyut. Results of the tests carried out by the flight research institute are positive, and all required specifications are confirmed,” Yeliseyev told Interfax-Military News Agency.

The report numbering several hundred pages says, in particular: “Results of flight tests carried out to compare and evaluate specifications of the power plant and the Su-27 plane, board number 3711, with two modified AL-31F-M1 engines, correspond to estimated figures,” Yeliseyev said. “In bringing up the fighter from a speed of 300 kph to 1,200 kph (supersonic speed) at an altitude of 11 km, we gain 26 seconds in comparison with the plane powered by regular AL-31F engines. It is a very important specification for an interceptor fighter that gives it an advantage in aerial combat,” the director general said.

Tests of the engine continue, and Salyut is “ready to carry out the rest of the work at a pace that is required to round it up in the second quarter of 2003,” he said. The modified engine has a thrust 800 kg higher than that of the regular asset, and as Su-27 and Su-30 planes have two engines, the fighter with new assets gains more than 1.5 t in thrust. Regular AL-31F engines powering Su-27 and Su-30 fighters have a thrust of 12.5 t. Modified AL-31F-M1 engines tested by the Gromov institute have reached a thrust of 13.3 t during the tests.

Salyut is Russia’s leading enterprise developing, producing and servicing gas-turbine engines. The enterprise incorporates a design bureau that develops aviation, industrial and transport power plants with gas-turbine engines.

Credit: Interfax-AVN military news agency web site, Moscow, in English 1012 18 Sep 02

The Su-27SM cockpit receives a glass cockpit with two 7×5-in. multifunction color displays (MFI-9) and a single 4×5-in. multifunction color display (mounted in between the larger displays) as well as an improved SILS-27M HUD. The fire-control system received modifications to the radar (a slightly modified version of the radar found on Chinese Su-30MKK2 aircraft) enabling it to perform ground- and sea-target detection. The air-to-air functions were also improved, with the employment of R-77 active-radar medium-range missiles. The OEPS-27 IRST system has been replaced by the OEPS-30-I (31E-MK). The range of the laser rangefinder is 10 km against ground and 8 km against air targets. It can also illuminate targets for the Kh-29L missile, the only laser-guided weapon used by Su-27SM .

Air-to-air functions are handled by the SUV-V tactical computer system (a modified SUV-27 from standard Su-27s), while air-to-ground functions are handled by a separate SUV-P unit with its own computer. The system is a modification of the SUV-30 from the Su-30MKK. It enables precision bombing using a laser rangefinder and inertial navigation system for digital impact-point calculation, as well as the use of TV-guided weapons, including Kh-29T missiles and KAB-500Kr and KAB-1500Kr TV guided bombs. The SUV-P can also process radar information working in a passive mode for SEAD missions, providing targeting information for Kh-31P missiles. For maritime strike, the system provides targeting information from the radar working in active or passive modes for Kh-31A anti-ship missiles.

Second Stage

Sukhoi plans a second stage upgrade to the Su-27SM from 2005, introducing solutions applied to the Su-27M (Su-35). This will mainly comprise installation of a new ‘quiet’ radar and electro-optic targeting pod.

Various types of radar are being considered, but it seems most likely that the traditional co-operation between Sukhoi and the NIIP company will continue, with the N011M Bars being a likely candidate. The aircraft will be equipped with the new L175 Khibiny electronic warfare system and will be able to carry new types of weapons.

The aircraft’s maximum take-off weight, presently 28,300-30,450kg depending on the series, can be increased to 33,000kg, allowing the present 4,000kg armament payload to be doubled to 8,000kg. Airborne range can by increased by the use of two 2,000-litre external fuel tanks, while an air-to-air refueling probe can also be installed. Modernization work on the aircraft’s AL-31F engines to AL-31V standard, gradually increasing thrust from to 137kN, is being carried out separately.

i will say that is a possible fact, but the point was to see two points*

The Su-30MKI versus FC-1 thrust weight ratio match up.
Su-30MKI versus Su-27SK agility.

To me the Su-30MKI is more agile than the Su-27SK simply due to ability to sustain higher AoA , higher lift and lower drag while maneouvring, Thrust vectoring and higher thrust, already is a fact the Su-30MKI can do maneouvers the Su-27 can not do and it`s higher weight at max take off is also a result of more weapons and fuel carried by the Su-30MKI, in fact the russian did mock combats of a Su-27 versus a Su-35 and the Super Flanker was the winner therefore the name super Flanker .

can you prove that Su-30MKI can take more weopons and fuel than the new Russian upgraded Su-27SK package. Also Su-27SK has higher speed due lesser frontal drag, higher thrust engines, lighter weight.

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The base radar formula used is (RCS1/RCS2)^0.25. So the F-16C reduced RCS is 1.2 m2, standard fighter is 5 m2. (1.2/5)^0.25 = 0.69. Therefore the F-16C can be detected at 69% of radar range as compared with a standard fighter.

B-52 Bomber 100 m2 bomber range x1

F-4, A-10 25 m2 bomber x 0.71, fighter x 1.5

B-1B Bomber 10 m2 bomber x 0.56, fighter x 1.19

Tornado 8 m2 fighter x 1.12

Generic fighter 5 m2 fighter range x 1

MiG-21 3 m2 fighter x 0.88

F-16C/18C w. reduced RCS 1.2 m2 fighter x 0.7

F-18E, Rafale 0.75 m2 fighter x 0.62

Eurofighter 0.25-0.75 m2 fighter x 0.47-0.62

Exocet, Harpoon missile 0.1 m2 fighter x 0.38

JSF (‘golf ball sized’) 0.005 m2 fighter x 0.18

F-117, B-2, F-22 0.0001 m2 fighter x 0.07

F-117, B-2 F-22 also given as 0.01-0.001 m2, ‘marble sized’ or fighter x 0.12-0.21

F-22 RCS requirement was 1/1000th the F-15. This has probably be exceeded by a large margin. Even if the F-15 RCS is a large 25 m2, the F-22 is 0.025 m2 worst case (fighter x 0.26

Why? if you give me the empty weight in other links we can get to an agreement but you have not provided me with empty weight, and the books i have read also claimed 17,700kg.

How Maximum takeoff weight of Aircraft is calculated?Logically it inlcudes Maximum fuel and Maximum weopons carried and the empty weight. there is no fourth component involved in it.
you can check this figure by Flankerman from a book. the empty weight of very baseline Su-30 is 17700KG. So just adds the weight of all the Airframe strengthening, Radar, engines, TVC, canards and you will arrive at alteast 20 Tons. Also note that Su-30 is limited to 4000KG.

http://forum.airforces.info/showthread.php?t=31898&page=4&pp=30&highlight=Su-35

in the page you gave me there is no mention of empty weight only max weight and it is 24,500kg as normal take off here is a link as many other that claim a 17,700kg of empty weightSu-30MKI weights 17,700kg

this FAS(unupdated) and globalsecurity are wrong on MKI weights.

But you are not taking in consideration the weapons load and that will rest weight also to the max weight and the average Flanker weights around 17,000kg and has a thrust of 25,000kg so still the Su-30MKI can be lighter than the Su-35 because the Su-30 and Su-27UB are lighter than the Su-35 the Su-27UB trainer version weights 17,500kg in empty weight

there is a difference between a base line Su-30K(limited to 4000KG weoponload) and Su-30MKK and MKI models