ocay84Ocay84, is Turkey developing an AESA or are they going to find something off the shelf?
-There are works for airborne AESA, next year ASELSAN will open GaN MMIC production facility, that means probably Turkish one considered but who knows there could be better alternatives in the future.
-There will be internal Electrooptics/targetting systems
-Unlike most stealthy aircrafts, F-X may carry active jammers/decoys etc..
ocay84Its logical, but… do you know, or think it?:)
I know it, even at first TuRAF considered F135 engine, to have common things with F35. Because of American un-willigness of American government to use F135 engine other than F35, TurAF turned to F100-GE-132 engines that powers UAE F16 Block60s. Eurojet EJ230 is on the table, I belive if they offer good industrial participation Eurojet can be chosen.
ocay84Anyone with information on how the F-4ETM and RF-4ETM have been received? Is the TuAF happy with how they are performing?
Because of old age and high fly hours of modernised F-4ET and RF-4ET, both aircraft due to be retired before the end of 2013.
ocay84So that’s the TFX ? Kewl, wonder what will be chosen as the final design. Any idea what engines are they planning to use?
For twin engined model: Eurojet EJ230
For Single Engined: F100-GE-132
ocay84Woow it looks better than USAF F100 Super Sabre, it looks quite edge over it is time.
ocay84What is the factory designation of Mig35 and Mig35D?
Mig29M: 9.15
Mig29M2 (MRCA): 9.61
ocay84I always thought that J8-II series were stop gap solution for China evolved from pure interceptors J8-I, until sufficent number of multirole 4th gen fighters (J10/J11) in service. And it is clear sufficent number of J10/J11 was not available until 21th Century.
ocay84Have you heared about it?
Mikoyan expecting Russian MiG-35 order soon
Russia will place an order for the Mikoyan MiG-35 ‘Fulcrum F’ multirole fighter aircraft in the first half of 2013, the CEO of Mikoyan believes.
“We hope to sign a contract in the first half of 2013,” Sergei Korotkov stated in an interview published on Mikoyan’s website on 23 April.
“Negotiations are under way [for a MiG-35 order] and are at an advanced stage,” Korotkov added, continuing that “we are counting on the fact that they will be completed this year, [with] the conclusion of the contract.”
Mikoyan has long been seeking an order for its MiG-35, the latest variant of its ‘Fulcrum’ fighter stable, derived from the original MiG-29, which first entered service in 1983. However, the company has seen far less success with its offerings than rival Sukhoi, which has seen continued domestic and export success with its Sukhoi Su-27 ‘Flanker’ and derivative aircraft to the point analysts have questioned whether Mikoyan will be able to maintain its operations.
Mikoyan, historically a design bureau, is currently in the process of merging with aircraft factory Nizhny Novgorod Aircraft Plant ‘Sokol’, where the MiG-35 is planned to be built when a production order is received. According to Korotkov, the combination of both enterprises into one legal entity – a move it is hoped will save costs – will soon be complete.
Mikoyan’s principal outstanding production orders are for its carrier-capable MiG-29K ‘Fulcrum-D’ fighter and its twin-seat trainer variant, the MiG-29KUB, for the Russian and Indian navies. India has already received 16 MiG-29K fighters and 4 MiG-29KUB trainers under a 2004 contract, which are expected to enter service this year, and ordered a further 29 MiG-29K/KUB aircraft in 2010 for USD1.2 billion. Russia, meanwhile, placed an order in February 2012 for 20 MiG-29K fighters and 4 MiG-29KUBs, with Mikhail Pogosyan, president of United Aircraft Corporation (UAC – of which Mikoyan is a subsidiary), stating at a Russian Ministry of Defence roundtable that the first three aircraft would be delivered in 2013. The remaining 21 aircraft will be delivered in two batches, one in 2014 and another in 2015.
Beyond these orders, Mikoyan has only had a mixed export experience over the past decade, with successful orders of MiG-29SMT fighters to Yemen and Myanmar interspersed by Algeria rejecting the 35 MiG-29SMT/UBT fighters it had ordered in 2006 and followed by the failure of the MiG-35 in India’s Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft competition. The Russian Air Force itself has largely focused on orders of Sukhoi aircraft in recent years, with the MiG-29SMT that the service agreed to purchase being the aircraft rejected by Algeria.
Meanwhile, Russian President Vladimir Putin gave an update on Russia’s fifth-generation Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA programme live on Russian television on 25 April. “Serial production of the T-50 fifth-generation fighter jet should begin soon and it should go into the field in 2016,” Putin stated. UAC also announced on 25 April that the T-50 had been flown by a pilot from the Russian Air Force for the first time from the company’s Zhukovsky facility. The T-50 made its maiden flight in January 2010, with four prototypes currently undergoing company flight trials.JDW
ocay84Mig-31 BM is a 3rd generation jet with an updated avionics and sensors.
I think Mig31 is gen4 aircraft; Mig-23 and Mig-25 are Gen3.
Generation Zero: Mig-9, Yak-15, Yak-17, Yak-23 (early generation fighters, late/post WW2)
First Generation: La-15, Mig-15, Mig-17, Mig-19, Yak-25 (subsonic aircrafts, with more agile designs, gun fighters)
Second Generation: Mig-21, Su-9, Su-11, Yak-28 (supersonic aircrafts, early use of air-air missiles, analog electronics)
Third Generation:Mig-23, Mig-25, Su-15 (advanced fire control systems, early multi-missions aircrafts, analog/digital more reliable avionics, radar guided missiles)
Fourth Generation: Mig-29, Su-27/30, Mig-31 (turbofan engines, digital avionics and advanced digital bus for integrated avionics, true multi-roles, fly-by-wire)
Fifth Generation: Sukhoi T50 (advanced sensor fusion, stealth, supercruise, TVC, advanced engines for high performance)
ocay84Turkish F-4E-2020 is quite good.
http://www.dunya.com/d/other/e3-003.jpg
Here is a recent interesting picture. GPS-INS Guided wing kit on Mk82 bomb (called KGK), and SOM Cruise Missile on the left wing (with over 150nm range) and it also carries ASELSAN ASELPOD targeting pod which is being certified nowadays.
Turkish Phantoms flies only AIM-9L and AIM-9M; Pythoon-4 was offered but probably never procured.
ocay84T3CAS is a complex system combined of:
1.Traffic Alert and Collision Avoidance System (TCAS)
2.Terrain Awareness Warning Systems (TAWS)
3.Mode S Transponder
4.SafeRoute ADS-B Solutions and Air Traffic Situational Awareness ADS-B applications (ATSA)
http://www.acss.com/wp-content/uploads/T3CAS.pdf
It is a system that increase safety of navigation, as well as take-off/landing that is used by civil aircrafts.
Do you think that it could be useful also fighter aircrafts?
ocay84For the first time I see a plane, which carries bombs below of external fuel tanks!
Are there any special name of this kind of carriage? And any other example other than Mirage-III/Kfir?
And I have a question more.. How many and What kind of missile are carried normally by Israeli Mirage-IIICJ as air-defence/CAP role during 3th and 4th Arab-Israeli Wars?
ocay84Have you compared them yourself and come to any conclusions? What do you think are the pros and cons of both aircraft?
They do seem quite similar in role and performance, though…
I am no expert with those two aircraft. I think I know F-104s better than Mirage-IIIs.
What can I say, F-104s was post-Korean war aircraft. Those times main opponents was subsonic-transonic Mig-15/Mig-17 later added Mig-19. All of has some maneuveriblity; but lack advantages of high speed/high altitude and acceleration.
As an anology, just compare 4 th generation F16 with sustained supercruise capability of F-22 in aircombat.
In that sense F-104 was logical in a warfare where lots of transonic plane in the air; and F-104 would kill them like an eagle kills pigeons. And possible NATO-USSR warfare on Eastern Europe can make F-104s suitable.
But interestingly Euopean airforces wanted to use F-104G also in air-ground role. One of the major cause of high attrition rates of F-104s.
Interestingly the ultimate F-104S has quite good nav/attack system for air-ground role; which makes them highly presiced bomb relaese. And Germans used them for anti-ship missions with Kormoran missiles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:F-104G_MFG2_Ramstein_1984.jpg
Comparing with Mirage-IIIE is little harder, but since Mirage-III got lots of modifcation from various countries, it seems more flexible aircraft than F-104G. In early years of Cold War probably flexible-multirole aircrafts are not so demanded; I think both F-4 Phantoms and Mirage-III/V were good examples that goes to multi-role aircraft.
ocay84Check this video of RAF of OMAN Jaguar very low altitude flights.
I am really impressed. I think Jaguar is not “deep penetration strike aircraft”. Tornado, F111 and Su-24 deserve this kind of title. But I think jaguar moer like “battlefield interdiction” aircraft just like Su-22 or Mig27 or F105 Thunderchief
ocay84According to Ministery of Defence officers “F-X project development budget will be as much as Gripen or Rafale; Turkey CANNOT spend 40 billion US Dollars like F35 project”
So basically it will be modest aircraft, Turkey cannot afford F35 like complexity. And probably cannot find a partner to develope such kind of aircraft.
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