You seem to be unable to argue any of your points aside from screaming -“Bias!!!”

At the end of the day Iraq isn’t buying any jets from China, sorry.

you so bias because thats all you have left. you fail because china could export j10 but russia cannot export su34 because you know when russia export su34 it will be very expensive!! also you are ignorant because iraq use chinese airplane before too

So you are met with numbers that disprove your whole “China can deliver them for cheaper than anyone else” shtick, and your retort is who cares?

Get better at trolling son.

And by the way, who cares about the price China and Pakistan are paying for J-10? This is about Iraq, duh, and they don’t want some Chinese plane.

you are blind and biased.
china deliver then cheaper because china made deal with pakistan. russia never sell su34 to anybody, so you have no point like usual. iraq also want chinese stuff because china the only one who can back iraq security. look at all russias supporters.. libya, old iraq, syria.. they are all gone and russia cannot protect them. but look at china supporter.. burma, north korea, iran.. enemies are too scared to touch them.

Your numbers don’t mean all that much.
What do the deals include?

why you so lazy?? you can google and find the answer so easily. look at 2006 pakistan deal, and yes it comes with missiles

Does it account for Chinese gov subsidizing?

who cares if you are the consumer. hey i heard sony subsidize and willing to take loss on playstation cost.. you think consumer care? duh duh

If we want to talk about numbers out of context, the RuAF is paying around 32 million for each Su-34….considering how much larger it is, the twin engines and more sophisticated systems compared to the J-10, it looks pretty good indeed. 😉

who cares. we are talking about iraq.

Ahh, that must have been another Chinese poster on this forum.. spoky or spooky was his name.. or something like that.. sorry for my mistake..

Anyway, the original point is still valid. You guys get yourself very comfortable by assuming that your (read Chinese-made) fighter must automatically be way cheaper than the competition. You might have got accustomed to that idea by assuming that whatever counts for cotton shirts or coffee mugs produced in tens millions per year in near-labor-camp working conditions with non-existing norms or quality control must automatically account even for fighter aircraft. Except it doesn’t.

From my experience, Chinese companies can’t stay competitive even with (with all due respect) less complex devices like medical MRI or thermal imaging cameras. I know that because I have spent some time studying these.. I guess with rising complexity of the product the price gap between China-Russia or China-West will get even smaller. You also need to account for the obvious lack of reputation when it comes to the Made In China stuff – politics aside, purely technically, no one will risk buying himself into a possible lemon just to save 10-15% of the acquisition cost. A J-10A would need to cost less than half as much as F-16C for some AF with unrestricted access to both designs to even start thinking about it.. and I have serious doubts Chinese companies are capable of accomplishing that.

Sure, you can write here another “this is a aviation forum not a medical one” single-liner but that doesn’t change much on the perspective I have painted here.

lol wow ok………. so even with the post of what plaaf and paf paying for j10 which is lower than new mig29 or rafael, you still want to talk medical stuff.. okay crazy man.

australia do not need fighters like these. it is like new zealand. nor eal threats. some australian like to see indonesia is a threat but the relationship with indonesia is mostly good.

lol you guys funny. this is a aviation forum not a medical one. stop comparing apples and oranges.

lol stop changing the subject. shadowing is one thing illuminating the other with radar is another

Japanese navy is hostile

j10 would be very good option for iraq. it has refuelling probe, modern radar, can carry many bombs, and is cheaper than all those option.

j10b is the best option because they can get aesa radar too but if iraq need something right away there are many j10a that can be given.

also if iraq buys the su30, then it use the same engine as j10 series so good for logistic. that way iraq can make two country happy! Russia and China.
but really they should wait for ws10 engine if they want performance.

also j10 can lead to the j31 which if iraq buy, will be the best fighter in the middle east