The one thing that can never be countered. I reckon in future even the modern short range missiles will be defeated by DIRCMs, new Jammers may make the new AMRAAMs & Meteors fail.

The gun will always kill.

Good point. However, an AVIC PL-10 imaging infrared BVR air-to-air virtually cannot be countered. 😀

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLA-AAM.html#mozTocId299418

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JYC6Z2trGRg/TsndoVYwrfI/AAAAAAAAFZo/dLOJ8IpA-D4/s1600/Luoyang+PL-ASRPL-10+High+Agility+Close+Combat+Missile+KAKK-10+Lock+On+After+Launch+%2528LOAL%2529+TVC+vanes+and+tail+controls+South+African++Brazilian+Denel+A-Darter+Helmet+Mounted+Sight+or+Display+j10+a+b+s+j-11+a+b+h+s+j0+jf17+%25283%2529.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kiu3Oh0T5h4/TsndlAhS6pI/AAAAAAAAFZg/uuIpHr88QGo/s1600/Luoyang+PL-ASRPL-10+High+Agility+Close+Combat+Missile+KAKK-10+Lock+On+After+Launch+%2528LOAL%2529+TVC+vanes+and+tail+controls+South+African++Brazilian+Denel+A-Darter+Helmet+Mounted+Sight+or+Display+j10+a+b+s+j-11+a+b+h+s+j0+jf17+%25282%2529.jpg

JF-17 flight simulator

http://www.defence.pk/gallery/data/649/medium/JF-17_SIM_2.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZsbUXxXHyA

Interestingly, JF-17 pilots are trained exclusively on simulators. If I’m not mistaken, Gripen pilots still use 2-seaters for training.

Could UAE be a customer of JF-17?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEBo5dpLAfE&feature=related

Here’s a good comparison of their top views

Its dominated by Japanese, US, S. Korean, German companies.
China is a labour and manufacturing base.

Oh wow Japanese, US, S. Korean, German companies. Whatever do they make besides poisonous things like coke and TVs and automobiles and batteries and computers and internet and cellphones and paint and pesticides that they put in wood in houses, detergents, killing machines etc.? 😀 They have turned the world upside down in under 100 years. At this rate, the human race would be poisoned to death within another few hundred years. Did you know almost half of couples have incredible difficulty conceiving children due to poison? Yeah. 😀

Just because Messerschmitt came up with the first jet concept doesn’t prevent Gloucester from making jets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_Meteor

Just because Toyota came up with the first hybrid concept doesn’t prevent Ford from making hybrid cars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Prius

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Fusion_Hybrid

Just because Mitsubishi came up with the first AESA concept doesn’t prevent Raytheon from making AESA radars.

http://bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/data/10040/upfile/201201/20120127071145.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/images/an-apg-63v3-image1.jpg

Just because Russians came up with the idea of phased array radar doesn’t prevent Americans from making phased array radars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaslon_radar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/SPY-1

Likewise, just because LM came up with DSI technology doesn’t prevent AVIC from making DSI jets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC/PAC_JF-17_Thunder

Do you even read your own links?

I’ll summarize it for you – Sequence of events:
1. “Research into the DSI was done by Lockheed Martin in the early 1990s.”
2. “The first DSI was flown on 11 December 1996, installed on a F-16 Block 30 fighter” US Patents filed the same year.
3. Two US Patents are granted in 1998.
4. Either by seeing the patent info, seeing the F-16/DSI work or seeing early X-35 info, CAC decides to change the JF-17’s design to include DSI “Work on the DSI was started in 1999”.

Pretty much sums up China’s whole outlook on ANY patent.

Don’t forget, China is the PEOPLE’s republic and is a socialist country, so patents don’t work in China. Oh, and AVIC’s DSI has nothing to do with LM’s. They are the same solution, yes.

The two patents received for LM’s work on DSI filed in 1996 and granted in 1998.

US Patent#’s 5779189 and 5749542

btw, did China license the DSI tech or just “stand on the shoulders of others”

Such patents are absurd. Perhaps the Indian mathematician who invented the concept of 0 can patent it and and no one else can use 0? Perhaps Karl Benz who made the first car in 1885 can patent the concept and no one else can make a car? Perhaps the Chinese eunuch who invented paper can patent it and no one else can use paper? Or perhaps the Chinese who invented gunpower and explosives can patent it and no one else can use gunpower and explosives? Or perhaps the Chinese inventor who invented magnetic compass can patent it and no one else can use magnetic compass? There’s a good saying that science has no national boundaries. No patent can apply to technological advancements. And what ethnicity is Hamstra anyway? Indian?

btw, did China license the DSI tech or just “stand on the shoulders of giants”?

I would go with the latter. AVIC did its own research into DSI back in the 1990s and came up with the same solution, there of course, being only 1 solution: the bump and the foward slanted cowls. 😀

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverterless_supersonic_inlet

Oh brother :rolleyes: .
I bet JSLL4 thinks any Chinese-American contribution in LM is a testament to the Chinese state.

Answer me, how do you prove Americans invented DSI?:D Let me remind you, unlike AVIC which is a state corporation, LM is a public corporation and does not restrict the nationalities of its employees.

Oh, and Pakistani fighter pilots are the first in the world to operationally fly DSI planes 😀

Are the Wright Brothers not credited with the invention of the airplane even though is was just a “tech demonstrator”?

As Newton once said “I can see far because I stand on the shoulders of giants.”, the Wright brothers could not have made the first flyable aircraft without Egyptian and Chinese and Greek and Babylonian maths, or without paper invented by Chinese people.

Your own words betray you “JF-17 Prototype 06 is the first plane having DSI even though X-35 preceded it.”

Sign. :rolleyes: Will you stop being a machine? When I say JF-17 is the first plane that has DSI, I IMPLY it is the first operational plane that has DSI, not a drawing of a plane, not a plane concept, not a plane model, not a plane mockup. And how do you know LM invented DSI? How do you know some 12 year old kid hasn’t invented DSI before LM did? And LM is not even a person, it’s a corporation. 😉