shure??

How nice of you to post a pic of Prototype 03 :rolleyes: There were 6 prototypes, the fourth one onward all had DSI

Your link about the J-17 shows that PAF will get its first operational squadron of that right now and not 2007 as claimed.

2 squadrons of JF-17s were already operational as of early 2010. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC/PAC_JF-17_Thunder

Don’t you mean the F-35’s DSI? 😉

No, it’s the AVIC JF-17’s DSI, since JF-17 prototype PT-06 flew over 3 months before F-35 prototype AA-1 did. 😉

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JF-17

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35

no, what I imply is that the power alone doesn’t mean much by itself. WS-13 seems to perform at the same level than the french technology from more than 40 years ago.

the F414 produces about 20% more thrust while being significantly smaller, proving, if need be, that its technology is more efficient; i.e. more advanced

F414 is rated 22,000 lb, doesn’t seem to be more powerful than AVIC’s WS-13. :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guizhou_WS-13

1.) I didn’t mean it as an insult. One can be unimpressive, but still right for the job, at the right time. PAF badly needed the JF-17, so in that sense it can be lauded. LCA is a more ambitious program in many aspects, but in terms of delivery it has been wanting.

2.) No doubt about F-35 mess, but then again, to be expected with a program of that magnitude and depth. What do you mean by affirmative action, in this case?

3.) Exactly why I think it is premature to think it is close to readiness.

1) No prob, and none taken. 😀 JF-17 is more technologically advanced than anything in PAF’s inventory, including F-16 Block 52+, so it is a big deal for PAF.

2) No offense, but the entire USA is affected by affirmative action. Affirmative action means giving job positions to less-qualified applicants on the grounds that they are minorities and / or women.

3) :confused:

LCA beats the **** out of Gripen & JF 17.

It has quadruple fbw, lotsa composites & Indian DNA = best

LCA is yet to achieve IOC, if ever. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Tejas

Still no DSI. Still no AESA.

So, you are claiming the PL-21 will enter service this year?
Somehow I find this claim to be bold, to put lightly.

AVIC didn’t beat anyone in introducing DSI, since no one has actually been interested in integrating the technology, to date. Sorry.

JF-17 achieved IOC years ago. F-35 is still years away from achieving IOC, if ever. 😀

So, you are claiming the PL-21 will enter service this year?

No I claimed PL-21 development will be completed this year as projected, ahead of Meteor.

It’s still not correct.

Good one. Everyone makes mistakes at one time or another. Or perhaps he implied in the modern jet age after 1970 😀

As for Meteor, it’s still under development. On the other hand, JF-17 has been in service since early 2007. 😀

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBDA_Meteor

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/fc1xiaolongjf17thund/

AVIC PL-21 is coming this year BTW http://pic2.chinawestnews.net/0/10/32/85/10328554_888400.jpg

Given that AVIC beat LM in introducing DSI planes to the world, I would be surprised if AVIC doesn’t beat MBDA in introducing ramjet air-to-air to the world