Back to the topic, while Rafale and F-16 Block 52+ clearly outmatch J-10 Generation Uno, clearly J-10 Generation Zwei is at least a match for either of them in terms of avionics and clearly superior to both of them in terms of airframe design.
I haven’t been following LCA for YEARS. Surprised to see it’s still not yet operational. 😮
Pardon the pun, but the F-35’s future is “certainly” not uncertain. The DoD has continually backed the program and it has been doing quite well over the last couple of years of it’s development.
While it cannot be known exactly how many will be built and when (the same can be said of the JF-17), there is no doubt that it will makeup the majority of the DoD’s (and Partner & FMS nation’s) multi-role assets in number and capability
Nothing in the future is certain. An asteroid might hit the Earth and destroy humanity next year for all we know. Oh, and JF-17 is not used by the Chinese air force, it’s only for exports.
Like I said, semantics… but it was still not “first plane in the world that has DSI”
That is your opinion. In the real world, JF-17 is the first plane that has DSI. Its production prototype (PT 06) flew before F-35’s one did. It became operational before F-35 does, whose future is uncertain.
PT-04 with DSI was a prototype, AA-1 was not.
If prototypes count, the X-35 flew in 2000.
X-35 was a concept, much like FT-SX was the concept that spawned the Toyota Venza. X-35 does not count.
JF-17 beat F-35 by a little over 3 months. I don’t see any reason for any other argument.
It may be the first plane to reach operational status (more to do with what each country calls operational) with a DSI, but it was not the “first plane in the world that has DSI”.
It’s really a matter of semantics anyways.
There is nothing to argue about. The production prototype of JF-17 flew in September 2006 and the first prototype of F-35 flew in December 2006.
Actually, the F-16 (followed by the X-35 and F-35) were the the first to have DSI.
As to top speed, the F-16 with DSI went up to mach 2.
JF-17 (developed from Super 7) beat F-35 (developed from X-35) by a few months, so it takes the record of being the first.
@ JSLLL4 : Sorry I don’t understand a single word. I think I read somewhere that DSI limited flight speed to about Mach 2. But I guess it’s irrelevant since nowadays few aircraft are flying above that speed.
You might be right. It does mention this in the wiki article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverterless_supersonic_inlet
I wonder why though.
Doesn’t DSI limit Mach number or something ?
Nope. According to the chief engineer of JF-17, DSI was found to have no fault, only benefits. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieIfEcumZPY
Also, F-22 does not have DSI even though it only became operational towards the end of 2005. It only took about a year to put DSI on JF-17, which is of course the first plane in the world that has DSI.
SAAB also utilize DSI on Gripen NG
I don’t see any DSI. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/50528037/GRIPEN-NG-FOR-THE-NETHERLANDS
Why doesn’t F-16 use DSI like J-10 does? DSI cuts weight, increases interior space, increases air flow to the engine, cuts RCS, cuts complexity, cuts production costs, and looks better. As far as I know, only AVIC and Lockheed Martin have DSI technology.
F-22 and T-50 both lack canards and DSI which J-20 has. I don’t see see how either of them can be more maneuverable than J-20. In any case, it doesn’t matter because J-20 is armed with the devastating PL-21 / PL-10 combo http://pic2.chinawestnews.net/0/10/32/85/10328554_888400.jpg
Does anyone know if inner hardpoints on j10 are wired for weapons usage, or are they there primarely for tanks? I ask this as on f16 inner points don’t seem to be used for anything else but tanks. Then again, f16 has more hardpoints overall. Was a j10 in service (NOT a show model) shown carrying anything other than tanks on the inner stations?
Also, so far we know middle hardpoints on j10 can carry some 500-600 kg of weight. Do we have proof of them carrying more weight?
The innermost hardpoints can carry PL-12s. http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/3239/J10_51406.jpg
As such – IMO:diablo: – it is simply SAC’s attempt to stay in China’s fighter business, maybe even to survive as an independent aircraft developer.
Deino
SAC is not its own company. China only has 1 state-owned aviation company that makes all the military aircraft and weapons and electronics and engines, and that is AVIC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Aviation_Industry_Corporation