I really like the J-10 ^_^, that airplane superior than F-16 and Mirage in being cheap cost, while MiG-29 is not cost effective like the J-10..

the J-10 is cheaper than F-16 and MiG-29, and has the single engine advantage and less fuel consumption than MiG-29.. right now the A2G stuff is not fully integrate well, but it has potential to be superior to all 4. China really did it again !

The FC-1 is cost effective.. cheap (they say around 12 million US at least), gives BVR capabbility third world country can afford, and the performance at least as good as F-16 for half the cost. It only downfall is ground attack, but you can go buy a Su-25 or JH-7 for that..it is dedicated and better

you know..i intended to disprove that RUssian weapons were superior to chinese..but i didn’t intend to get all of you guys at each other throats. sorry for that. but i still stick to my opinion on the Chinese weapons systems.

whats there to think about..

its a plane..

its a plane in the sky

I can do that too! here is a plane in the sky.

Originally posted by SOC
SOC…socker…ok that was pretty good 😀

Where is Russia now? Not developing their 5th Generation fighter, but re-developing it in the form of the PAK-FA. The Mikoyan MFI program was initiated in the late 80’s as a counter to the US ATF program. Why are there not hordes of MFIs cruising around in the skies over the Rodina? Well, there was this thing, you see, having to do with the collapse of Communism and the realization that all the money was gone… Russia had one 5th Generation fighter already, which even flew in technology demonstrator form, but that program died like so many others due to lack of money.

As for the MiG-29 being a failure, this is highly debatable. If the Germans took theirs to war they’d do well I’d think. Pilot quality, tactical training, and operating environment have a lot to do with how successful any aircraft will be. The MiG-29 was still (stupidly) meant to operate in a GCI-neavy atmosphere. Knock out the right radar sites in a war and take down the GCI network, and all the FSU aircraft designed to function in a GCI-heavy atmosphere are going to have a lot of difficulty operating effectively. That doesn’t mean the aircraft itself is a failure, rather the archaic system is the problem.

Thanks SOC, i knew we can agree eye to eye.. as a resulting of the collapse of Communism, it onlly further reduced Russia’s capabilities, allowing China to surpass it.

and yes the MiG-29 is a failure because it was designed to operate on an archaic system.. so therefor..it was designed to be a failure from the start.

Originally posted by Vympel
Biggest load of ignorant crap I’ve ever read, sorry to say.

Firstly, the ‘FBC-1’ sucks arse. Second, it is a vastly inferior aircraft in all relevant maritime strike departments to the Su-30MK2. Third, the Su-30MK2 is not a cheap buy. These three facts combine to a rather straight-forward explanation for why China bought the Su-30MKK series- because they need it, and they can’t wait for another JH-7 that sucks less. Fourth, there is no evidence that the Su-30MK2 is ‘unreliable’. Fifth, if China has caught up to Russian technology, maybe you can explain the Russian origins of the major weapons, engines and avionics in the upcoming Chinese fighters? Or maybe the distinct Chinese lack of any strategic bombers equipped with long range cruise missiles? Or perhaps the lack of any appreciable long range air-to-air missiles with Chinese origins (sorry, the SD-10 is filled with Russian gear). Where are the Chinese attack helicopters? I can go on, and on, and on. Check yourself next time you get the urge to spew nonsense all over an aviation forum.

for starters, the J-10 is already superior to the MiG-29, which is cursed with a bad combat record and maintenance issues. India is really regretting purchasing the MiG-29 and we all know that they like their M2K’s better.. that shows you how reliable Russian equipment is.

Chinese attack helicopters? ever heard of the WZ-10? Chinese naval ships have already began surpassing their Russian equivelants. does Russia have any air defense destroyers comparable to 170 or 171?

These “russian gear” you keep referring to came at a time when there was no Chinese alternative..but now there IS one, such as engines, etc and they’re a bit better than the Russian versions..even the J-11s built in Shenyang are of better quality than the Su-27Ks.

Anywayz, the PRC government chooses to be allies with the Russians, and because they are allies, the PRC has kindly decided to buy Russian gear, not because they necessary need it..but to save the Russian economy and local people other wise they would all cross the border for work.

Originally posted by troung
I know. Relations are very good now. Hopefully we will all grow rich and fat together. 😀

I agree, hopefully Vietnam chooses to return to being China’s key southern province, as it’s Chinese style economy would be easier to integrate.